OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[Dougie944]

Aliens landing in droves in La Jolla is no different than Arizona’s plight. But you are right, people can only see the problem when it is affecting themselves. The reaction would be way different for those in La Jolla than it is now.

Most people in Arizona just want protection. Protect the border and provide a legal immigration route (orderly and through POE and with background check) for Mexican citizens to come and work. Greatly penalize anyone hiring around the system. Do these things and the problem is solved. What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.

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What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

[blahblahblah]

What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

[blahblahblah]

What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

[blahblahblah]

What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

[blahblahblah]

What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

[TenaciousSD]

[quote=Dougie944]

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]

“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.

Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?

[TenaciousSD]

[quote=Dougie944]

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]

“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.

Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?

[TenaciousSD]

[quote=Dougie944]

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]

“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.

Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?

[TenaciousSD]

[quote=Dougie944]

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]

“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.

Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?

[TenaciousSD]

[quote=Dougie944]

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]

“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.

Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?

[blahblahblah]

[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

[blahblahblah]

[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

[blahblahblah]

[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

[blahblahblah]

[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

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