OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Jim Jones][quote=meadandale][quote=Diego Mamani]It certainly takes a tea party sympathizer, anti-immigrant type to misspell “illegals.” What country is the OP from?

According to the law of the land, only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration matters. The bigoted Arizona law may be popular with the majority now, but that doesn’t make it constitutional. (The National Socialist party in Germany was very popular with the majority in the 1930s, but they were still on the wrong side of history.)[/quote]

According to Godwin’s Law…you fail.[/quote]

I am not so sure Godwin thought his proof would show up so early in what should be a rational discussion.[/quote]

I agree. You had to go to that card in just the third post?

Extra credit though for attempting to squeak it in parenthetically and not using the common abbreviation for the party name.

[KSMountain]

Diego’s point is valid though:

Temporary popularity of an idea doesn’t necessarily correlate with the wisdom of the idea. “Tyranny of the majority” and all that.

Also, with the media nowadays you can whip people up to believe almost anything for a little while.

Laws shouldn’t be written on the basis of mob sentiment or even “majority rules”.

We will see what happens with this particular law. It will be interesting.

Have you guys been following the recent stories about boats of “unauthorized visitors” coming ashore at night in Leucadia, Pendleton, La Jolla, etc?

It is definitely happening, and these are just the ones that we know about because they were caught.

It seems to me, something like that, is NOT a valid or friendly way to enter a country, and is not a good start to your relationship with the country. Think of the folks who are running the boat operations. What other illegal activities are they involved in?

I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?

Can we agree on that? Isn’t that kind of the point of having an immigration system?

Question: should California or the city of Encinitas be prohibited from writing a law that attempted to deal with a Leucadian onslaught? Or does the state have no right to take measures to protect itself?

[KSMountain]

Diego’s point is valid though:

Temporary popularity of an idea doesn’t necessarily correlate with the wisdom of the idea. “Tyranny of the majority” and all that.

Also, with the media nowadays you can whip people up to believe almost anything for a little while.

Laws shouldn’t be written on the basis of mob sentiment or even “majority rules”.

We will see what happens with this particular law. It will be interesting.

Have you guys been following the recent stories about boats of “unauthorized visitors” coming ashore at night in Leucadia, Pendleton, La Jolla, etc?

It is definitely happening, and these are just the ones that we know about because they were caught.

It seems to me, something like that, is NOT a valid or friendly way to enter a country, and is not a good start to your relationship with the country. Think of the folks who are running the boat operations. What other illegal activities are they involved in?

I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?

Can we agree on that? Isn’t that kind of the point of having an immigration system?

Question: should California or the city of Encinitas be prohibited from writing a law that attempted to deal with a Leucadian onslaught? Or does the state have no right to take measures to protect itself?

[KSMountain]

Diego’s point is valid though:

Temporary popularity of an idea doesn’t necessarily correlate with the wisdom of the idea. “Tyranny of the majority” and all that.

Also, with the media nowadays you can whip people up to believe almost anything for a little while.

Laws shouldn’t be written on the basis of mob sentiment or even “majority rules”.

We will see what happens with this particular law. It will be interesting.

Have you guys been following the recent stories about boats of “unauthorized visitors” coming ashore at night in Leucadia, Pendleton, La Jolla, etc?

It is definitely happening, and these are just the ones that we know about because they were caught.

It seems to me, something like that, is NOT a valid or friendly way to enter a country, and is not a good start to your relationship with the country. Think of the folks who are running the boat operations. What other illegal activities are they involved in?

I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?

Can we agree on that? Isn’t that kind of the point of having an immigration system?

Question: should California or the city of Encinitas be prohibited from writing a law that attempted to deal with a Leucadian onslaught? Or does the state have no right to take measures to protect itself?

[KSMountain]

Diego’s point is valid though:

Temporary popularity of an idea doesn’t necessarily correlate with the wisdom of the idea. “Tyranny of the majority” and all that.

Also, with the media nowadays you can whip people up to believe almost anything for a little while.

Laws shouldn’t be written on the basis of mob sentiment or even “majority rules”.

We will see what happens with this particular law. It will be interesting.

Have you guys been following the recent stories about boats of “unauthorized visitors” coming ashore at night in Leucadia, Pendleton, La Jolla, etc?

It is definitely happening, and these are just the ones that we know about because they were caught.

It seems to me, something like that, is NOT a valid or friendly way to enter a country, and is not a good start to your relationship with the country. Think of the folks who are running the boat operations. What other illegal activities are they involved in?

I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?

Can we agree on that? Isn’t that kind of the point of having an immigration system?

Question: should California or the city of Encinitas be prohibited from writing a law that attempted to deal with a Leucadian onslaught? Or does the state have no right to take measures to protect itself?

[KSMountain]

Diego’s point is valid though:

Temporary popularity of an idea doesn’t necessarily correlate with the wisdom of the idea. “Tyranny of the majority” and all that.

Also, with the media nowadays you can whip people up to believe almost anything for a little while.

Laws shouldn’t be written on the basis of mob sentiment or even “majority rules”.

We will see what happens with this particular law. It will be interesting.

Have you guys been following the recent stories about boats of “unauthorized visitors” coming ashore at night in Leucadia, Pendleton, La Jolla, etc?

It is definitely happening, and these are just the ones that we know about because they were caught.

It seems to me, something like that, is NOT a valid or friendly way to enter a country, and is not a good start to your relationship with the country. Think of the folks who are running the boat operations. What other illegal activities are they involved in?

I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?

Can we agree on that? Isn’t that kind of the point of having an immigration system?

Question: should California or the city of Encinitas be prohibited from writing a law that attempted to deal with a Leucadian onslaught? Or does the state have no right to take measures to protect itself?

[meadandale]

It’s ironic we see people railing against the AZ law and Prop 8 as the tyranny of the majority…yet that’s exactly the card Obama pulled when he started ‘remaking’ our country.

“We have a mandate…Elections have consequences” he pronounced. Isn’t that having your cake and eating it too?

Democracy (the will of the people) is ok when they are doing something YOU agree with but it’s a tyranny if you aren’t in the majority?

I find that Democrats like to call us a Democracy when they are on the winning side of an issue but quickly remind us that we aren’t a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic when they are on the losing side of an issue.

Thanks for the LOL…

[meadandale]

It’s ironic we see people railing against the AZ law and Prop 8 as the tyranny of the majority…yet that’s exactly the card Obama pulled when he started ‘remaking’ our country.

“We have a mandate…Elections have consequences” he pronounced. Isn’t that having your cake and eating it too?

Democracy (the will of the people) is ok when they are doing something YOU agree with but it’s a tyranny if you aren’t in the majority?

I find that Democrats like to call us a Democracy when they are on the winning side of an issue but quickly remind us that we aren’t a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic when they are on the losing side of an issue.

Thanks for the LOL…

[meadandale]

It’s ironic we see people railing against the AZ law and Prop 8 as the tyranny of the majority…yet that’s exactly the card Obama pulled when he started ‘remaking’ our country.

“We have a mandate…Elections have consequences” he pronounced. Isn’t that having your cake and eating it too?

Democracy (the will of the people) is ok when they are doing something YOU agree with but it’s a tyranny if you aren’t in the majority?

I find that Democrats like to call us a Democracy when they are on the winning side of an issue but quickly remind us that we aren’t a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic when they are on the losing side of an issue.

Thanks for the LOL…

[meadandale]

It’s ironic we see people railing against the AZ law and Prop 8 as the tyranny of the majority…yet that’s exactly the card Obama pulled when he started ‘remaking’ our country.

“We have a mandate…Elections have consequences” he pronounced. Isn’t that having your cake and eating it too?

Democracy (the will of the people) is ok when they are doing something YOU agree with but it’s a tyranny if you aren’t in the majority?

I find that Democrats like to call us a Democracy when they are on the winning side of an issue but quickly remind us that we aren’t a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic when they are on the losing side of an issue.

Thanks for the LOL…

[meadandale]

It’s ironic we see people railing against the AZ law and Prop 8 as the tyranny of the majority…yet that’s exactly the card Obama pulled when he started ‘remaking’ our country.

“We have a mandate…Elections have consequences” he pronounced. Isn’t that having your cake and eating it too?

Democracy (the will of the people) is ok when they are doing something YOU agree with but it’s a tyranny if you aren’t in the majority?

I find that Democrats like to call us a Democracy when they are on the winning side of an issue but quickly remind us that we aren’t a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic when they are on the losing side of an issue.

Thanks for the LOL…

[KSMountain]

This is an example of the kind of story I’m talking about:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

[KSMountain]

This is an example of the kind of story I’m talking about:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

[KSMountain]

This is an example of the kind of story I’m talking about:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

[KSMountain]

This is an example of the kind of story I’m talking about:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5

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