OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[Eugene]

[quote=Diego Mamani]According to the law of the land, only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration matters. The bigoted Arizona law may be popular with the majority now, but that doesn’t make it constitutional. (The National Socialist party in Germany was very popular with the majority in the 1930s, but they were still on the wrong side of history.)[/quote]

We’ll have to see what the Supreme Court has to say. IIRC, the law was not blocked on the basis of being unconstitutional. It was blocked on the basis of imposing an undue burden on federal authorities, who’d have to spend more time and money responding to queries from cops in Arizona conducting traffic stops. An argument which does not really hold water IMHO.

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene]

We’ll have to see what the Supreme Court has to say. [/quote]

Exactly. I’m perfectly happy to wait for this to play out at the Supreme Court.

Judge Bolton, appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, did allow some, less debated provisions of the law to go into effect, including one that bans cities from refusing to cooperate with federal immigration agents.

But she largely sided with arguments in a lawsuit by the Obama administration that the law, rather than closely hewing to existing federal statutes, as its supporters have claimed, interferes with longstanding federal authority over immigration and could lead to harassment of citizens and legal immigrants.

“Preserving the status quo through a preliminary injunction is less harmful than allowing state laws that are likely pre-empted by federal law to be enforced,” she said.

“There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens,” she wrote. “By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose,” she said, citing a previous Supreme Court case, a “ ‘distinct, unusual and extraordinary’ burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose.”

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene]

We’ll have to see what the Supreme Court has to say. [/quote]

Exactly. I’m perfectly happy to wait for this to play out at the Supreme Court.

Judge Bolton, appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, did allow some, less debated provisions of the law to go into effect, including one that bans cities from refusing to cooperate with federal immigration agents.

But she largely sided with arguments in a lawsuit by the Obama administration that the law, rather than closely hewing to existing federal statutes, as its supporters have claimed, interferes with longstanding federal authority over immigration and could lead to harassment of citizens and legal immigrants.

“Preserving the status quo through a preliminary injunction is less harmful than allowing state laws that are likely pre-empted by federal law to be enforced,” she said.

“There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens,” she wrote. “By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose,” she said, citing a previous Supreme Court case, a “ ‘distinct, unusual and extraordinary’ burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose.”

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene]

We’ll have to see what the Supreme Court has to say. [/quote]

Exactly. I’m perfectly happy to wait for this to play out at the Supreme Court.

Judge Bolton, appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, did allow some, less debated provisions of the law to go into effect, including one that bans cities from refusing to cooperate with federal immigration agents.

But she largely sided with arguments in a lawsuit by the Obama administration that the law, rather than closely hewing to existing federal statutes, as its supporters have claimed, interferes with longstanding federal authority over immigration and could lead to harassment of citizens and legal immigrants.

“Preserving the status quo through a preliminary injunction is less harmful than allowing state laws that are likely pre-empted by federal law to be enforced,” she said.

“There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens,” she wrote. “By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose,” she said, citing a previous Supreme Court case, a “ ‘distinct, unusual and extraordinary’ burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose.”

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene]

We’ll have to see what the Supreme Court has to say. [/quote]

Exactly. I’m perfectly happy to wait for this to play out at the Supreme Court.

Judge Bolton, appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, did allow some, less debated provisions of the law to go into effect, including one that bans cities from refusing to cooperate with federal immigration agents.

But she largely sided with arguments in a lawsuit by the Obama administration that the law, rather than closely hewing to existing federal statutes, as its supporters have claimed, interferes with longstanding federal authority over immigration and could lead to harassment of citizens and legal immigrants.

“Preserving the status quo through a preliminary injunction is less harmful than allowing state laws that are likely pre-empted by federal law to be enforced,” she said.

“There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens,” she wrote. “By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose,” she said, citing a previous Supreme Court case, a “ ‘distinct, unusual and extraordinary’ burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose.”

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene]

We’ll have to see what the Supreme Court has to say. [/quote]

Exactly. I’m perfectly happy to wait for this to play out at the Supreme Court.

Judge Bolton, appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, did allow some, less debated provisions of the law to go into effect, including one that bans cities from refusing to cooperate with federal immigration agents.

But she largely sided with arguments in a lawsuit by the Obama administration that the law, rather than closely hewing to existing federal statutes, as its supporters have claimed, interferes with longstanding federal authority over immigration and could lead to harassment of citizens and legal immigrants.

“Preserving the status quo through a preliminary injunction is less harmful than allowing state laws that are likely pre-empted by federal law to be enforced,” she said.

“There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens,” she wrote. “By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose,” she said, citing a previous Supreme Court case, a “ ‘distinct, unusual and extraordinary’ burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose.”

[TenaciousSD]

@Briansd1

In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.

I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.

Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.

[TenaciousSD]

@Briansd1

In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.

I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.

Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.

[TenaciousSD]

@Briansd1

In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.

I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.

Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.

[TenaciousSD]

@Briansd1

In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.

I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.

Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.

[TenaciousSD]

@Briansd1

In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.

I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.

Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.

[Coronita]

Hijack

Holy fvcking shit… What’s the world coming to?

Obama supporting technology and STEM ? Wow… Hmmm, finally something positive…..

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/15/obama.education.initiative/index.html?hpt=T2

Washington (CNN) — President Barack Obama on Thursday announced a new initiative led by the top executives of major U.S. corporations that seeks to improve education in science, technology, engineering and math.

Personally, I would have picked CEO that weren’t from tech company dinosaurs that are partly on their way to extinction (like Kodak and Xerox, which I hope is not symbolic of the future of innovation here in the U.S., lol)…but I’ll give credit for at least paying lip service to this idea…

End Hijack…

Oh give it up folks. Government is government is government. Same masters, different spenders…. Now where’s my credit card so I can order some crap from Amazon……..

[Coronita]

Hijack

Holy fvcking shit… What’s the world coming to?

Obama supporting technology and STEM ? Wow… Hmmm, finally something positive…..

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/15/obama.education.initiative/index.html?hpt=T2

Washington (CNN) — President Barack Obama on Thursday announced a new initiative led by the top executives of major U.S. corporations that seeks to improve education in science, technology, engineering and math.

Personally, I would have picked CEO that weren’t from tech company dinosaurs that are partly on their way to extinction (like Kodak and Xerox, which I hope is not symbolic of the future of innovation here in the U.S., lol)…but I’ll give credit for at least paying lip service to this idea…

End Hijack…

Oh give it up folks. Government is government is government. Same masters, different spenders…. Now where’s my credit card so I can order some crap from Amazon……..

[Coronita]

Hijack

Holy fvcking shit… What’s the world coming to?

Obama supporting technology and STEM ? Wow… Hmmm, finally something positive…..

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/15/obama.education.initiative/index.html?hpt=T2

Washington (CNN) — President Barack Obama on Thursday announced a new initiative led by the top executives of major U.S. corporations that seeks to improve education in science, technology, engineering and math.

Personally, I would have picked CEO that weren’t from tech company dinosaurs that are partly on their way to extinction (like Kodak and Xerox, which I hope is not symbolic of the future of innovation here in the U.S., lol)…but I’ll give credit for at least paying lip service to this idea…

End Hijack…

Oh give it up folks. Government is government is government. Same masters, different spenders…. Now where’s my credit card so I can order some crap from Amazon……..

[Coronita]

Hijack

Holy fvcking shit… What’s the world coming to?

Obama supporting technology and STEM ? Wow… Hmmm, finally something positive…..

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/15/obama.education.initiative/index.html?hpt=T2

Washington (CNN) — President Barack Obama on Thursday announced a new initiative led by the top executives of major U.S. corporations that seeks to improve education in science, technology, engineering and math.

Personally, I would have picked CEO that weren’t from tech company dinosaurs that are partly on their way to extinction (like Kodak and Xerox, which I hope is not symbolic of the future of innovation here in the U.S., lol)…but I’ll give credit for at least paying lip service to this idea…

End Hijack…

Oh give it up folks. Government is government is government. Same masters, different spenders…. Now where’s my credit card so I can order some crap from Amazon……..

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