OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[briansd1]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=briansd1] As far as I’m concerned, unauthorized immigrants who install drywall or pick strawberries for cash are also employment-based immigrants.[/quote]

So you support the right of employers to undercut their competition by hiring illegal workers and paying them under-the-table?[/quote]

No. Employers have so such right. But the reality is that it’s happening.

If we legalize unauthorized immigrants, they will come out of the shadows. Legal immigrants are less likely to be abused and underpaid by employers.

Employers who break the law should be dealt with on the employer side.

[LuckyInOC]

Why legalize unauthorized immigrants first and still then enforce current law against the employers. Why not first enforce the current laws to force the employers to hire legal employees and thereby eliminate the abuse of unauthorized immigrants. The unauthorized immigrants will return to place of origin and work towards legal immigration required by current law. This requires no debate, no new laws, just action by our government (Republican or Democrat).

We should use California state income tax law to punish the employers for hiring unauthorized immigrants. State income tax is under state jurisdiction and not federal jurisdiction. The state has a constitutional right to collect taxes. There should be no reason the state cannot conduct income tax audits on businesses suspected of fraudulent employment practices. The FTB currently has this authority and responsibility. This would be more affective than stopping individuals on the street.

Penalize the demand of the product (illegal jobs) and the supply (unauthorized immigrants) will be greatly reduced. It is funny how the same individuals want to do the same for energy. Penalize the demand of the product (Gas prices) and the supply (Oil) will be reduce. But they don’t have any problem with it.

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

Why legalize unauthorized immigrants first and still then enforce current law against the employers. Why not first enforce the current laws to force the employers to hire legal employees and thereby eliminate the abuse of unauthorized immigrants. The unauthorized immigrants will return to place of origin and work towards legal immigration required by current law. This requires no debate, no new laws, just action by our government (Republican or Democrat).

We should use California state income tax law to punish the employers for hiring unauthorized immigrants. State income tax is under state jurisdiction and not federal jurisdiction. The state has a constitutional right to collect taxes. There should be no reason the state cannot conduct income tax audits on businesses suspected of fraudulent employment practices. The FTB currently has this authority and responsibility. This would be more affective than stopping individuals on the street.

Penalize the demand of the product (illegal jobs) and the supply (unauthorized immigrants) will be greatly reduced. It is funny how the same individuals want to do the same for energy. Penalize the demand of the product (Gas prices) and the supply (Oil) will be reduce. But they don’t have any problem with it.

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

Why legalize unauthorized immigrants first and still then enforce current law against the employers. Why not first enforce the current laws to force the employers to hire legal employees and thereby eliminate the abuse of unauthorized immigrants. The unauthorized immigrants will return to place of origin and work towards legal immigration required by current law. This requires no debate, no new laws, just action by our government (Republican or Democrat).

We should use California state income tax law to punish the employers for hiring unauthorized immigrants. State income tax is under state jurisdiction and not federal jurisdiction. The state has a constitutional right to collect taxes. There should be no reason the state cannot conduct income tax audits on businesses suspected of fraudulent employment practices. The FTB currently has this authority and responsibility. This would be more affective than stopping individuals on the street.

Penalize the demand of the product (illegal jobs) and the supply (unauthorized immigrants) will be greatly reduced. It is funny how the same individuals want to do the same for energy. Penalize the demand of the product (Gas prices) and the supply (Oil) will be reduce. But they don’t have any problem with it.

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

Why legalize unauthorized immigrants first and still then enforce current law against the employers. Why not first enforce the current laws to force the employers to hire legal employees and thereby eliminate the abuse of unauthorized immigrants. The unauthorized immigrants will return to place of origin and work towards legal immigration required by current law. This requires no debate, no new laws, just action by our government (Republican or Democrat).

We should use California state income tax law to punish the employers for hiring unauthorized immigrants. State income tax is under state jurisdiction and not federal jurisdiction. The state has a constitutional right to collect taxes. There should be no reason the state cannot conduct income tax audits on businesses suspected of fraudulent employment practices. The FTB currently has this authority and responsibility. This would be more affective than stopping individuals on the street.

Penalize the demand of the product (illegal jobs) and the supply (unauthorized immigrants) will be greatly reduced. It is funny how the same individuals want to do the same for energy. Penalize the demand of the product (Gas prices) and the supply (Oil) will be reduce. But they don’t have any problem with it.

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

Why legalize unauthorized immigrants first and still then enforce current law against the employers. Why not first enforce the current laws to force the employers to hire legal employees and thereby eliminate the abuse of unauthorized immigrants. The unauthorized immigrants will return to place of origin and work towards legal immigration required by current law. This requires no debate, no new laws, just action by our government (Republican or Democrat).

We should use California state income tax law to punish the employers for hiring unauthorized immigrants. State income tax is under state jurisdiction and not federal jurisdiction. The state has a constitutional right to collect taxes. There should be no reason the state cannot conduct income tax audits on businesses suspected of fraudulent employment practices. The FTB currently has this authority and responsibility. This would be more affective than stopping individuals on the street.

Penalize the demand of the product (illegal jobs) and the supply (unauthorized immigrants) will be greatly reduced. It is funny how the same individuals want to do the same for energy. Penalize the demand of the product (Gas prices) and the supply (Oil) will be reduce. But they don’t have any problem with it.

Lucky In OC

[CA renter]

Totally agree, Lucky.

[CA renter]

Totally agree, Lucky.

[CA renter]

Totally agree, Lucky.

[CA renter]

Totally agree, Lucky.

[CA renter]

Totally agree, Lucky.

[LuckyInOC]

Well, I did a little more research…

#1 Minimum Wage
– failure to pay minimum wage
– Penalty: $100 to each employee first violation
$250 to each employee each payperiod

#2 Pay Stub Rules
– Inclusive dates of pay period
– Name of employee and SSI number (last four digits)
– Name and address of employer
– hourly rates and hours worked by employee
– Penalty: $100 per employee, per violation – $4000 max

#3 Report New Employees
– Employee’s full name, SSI number, address, and start-of-work date
– Employer’s name, address, California employer account number, and FEIN.
– Within 20 days of hiring
– Penalty: $24 per employee

The penalties just on these items for 1 employee for 1 year:
#1 = $100 + ($250 x 25 wks) = $6,350
#2 = $100 + ($100 x 25wks) = $2,600
#3 = $24

Therefore, I can calcualate at least $8,974 in penalties per employee for employers who hire workers off the books – legal or illegal for one
year.

This would not be subject to discrimination charges by the Federal Courts because it would be applied to equally to citizens, non-citizens, authorized immigrants, or unauthorized immigrants under current laws that have been in place for many years. The violations are against the employers, not employees – unauthorized immigrants.

Did you know that of 389 inspections only 4,092 unreported employees were found at a citation amount of $4,106,894 or a $1000 per person.
http://www.edd.ca.gov/Payroll_Taxes/Underground_Economy_Operations.htm

That is only 1 inspection per day. The estimated number of illegal immigrants in California is 3 million. If I assume that 1/3 are employed, it will take the state of California (EDD) 244 years to find them all.

I know I could do better myself. I wonder if the state would contract that out to me. It is quite obvious our California and Federal politicians do not want to address the underground economy due to the immigration issue. I think I could get elected to Governor on just this platform.

Lucky In OC for Governor in 2014…

[LuckyInOC]

Well, I did a little more research…

#1 Minimum Wage
– failure to pay minimum wage
– Penalty: $100 to each employee first violation
$250 to each employee each payperiod

#2 Pay Stub Rules
– Inclusive dates of pay period
– Name of employee and SSI number (last four digits)
– Name and address of employer
– hourly rates and hours worked by employee
– Penalty: $100 per employee, per violation – $4000 max

#3 Report New Employees
– Employee’s full name, SSI number, address, and start-of-work date
– Employer’s name, address, California employer account number, and FEIN.
– Within 20 days of hiring
– Penalty: $24 per employee

The penalties just on these items for 1 employee for 1 year:
#1 = $100 + ($250 x 25 wks) = $6,350
#2 = $100 + ($100 x 25wks) = $2,600
#3 = $24

Therefore, I can calcualate at least $8,974 in penalties per employee for employers who hire workers off the books – legal or illegal for one
year.

This would not be subject to discrimination charges by the Federal Courts because it would be applied to equally to citizens, non-citizens, authorized immigrants, or unauthorized immigrants under current laws that have been in place for many years. The violations are against the employers, not employees – unauthorized immigrants.

Did you know that of 389 inspections only 4,092 unreported employees were found at a citation amount of $4,106,894 or a $1000 per person.
http://www.edd.ca.gov/Payroll_Taxes/Underground_Economy_Operations.htm

That is only 1 inspection per day. The estimated number of illegal immigrants in California is 3 million. If I assume that 1/3 are employed, it will take the state of California (EDD) 244 years to find them all.

I know I could do better myself. I wonder if the state would contract that out to me. It is quite obvious our California and Federal politicians do not want to address the underground economy due to the immigration issue. I think I could get elected to Governor on just this platform.

Lucky In OC for Governor in 2014…

[LuckyInOC]

Well, I did a little more research…

#1 Minimum Wage
– failure to pay minimum wage
– Penalty: $100 to each employee first violation
$250 to each employee each payperiod

#2 Pay Stub Rules
– Inclusive dates of pay period
– Name of employee and SSI number (last four digits)
– Name and address of employer
– hourly rates and hours worked by employee
– Penalty: $100 per employee, per violation – $4000 max

#3 Report New Employees
– Employee’s full name, SSI number, address, and start-of-work date
– Employer’s name, address, California employer account number, and FEIN.
– Within 20 days of hiring
– Penalty: $24 per employee

The penalties just on these items for 1 employee for 1 year:
#1 = $100 + ($250 x 25 wks) = $6,350
#2 = $100 + ($100 x 25wks) = $2,600
#3 = $24

Therefore, I can calcualate at least $8,974 in penalties per employee for employers who hire workers off the books – legal or illegal for one
year.

This would not be subject to discrimination charges by the Federal Courts because it would be applied to equally to citizens, non-citizens, authorized immigrants, or unauthorized immigrants under current laws that have been in place for many years. The violations are against the employers, not employees – unauthorized immigrants.

Did you know that of 389 inspections only 4,092 unreported employees were found at a citation amount of $4,106,894 or a $1000 per person.
http://www.edd.ca.gov/Payroll_Taxes/Underground_Economy_Operations.htm

That is only 1 inspection per day. The estimated number of illegal immigrants in California is 3 million. If I assume that 1/3 are employed, it will take the state of California (EDD) 244 years to find them all.

I know I could do better myself. I wonder if the state would contract that out to me. It is quite obvious our California and Federal politicians do not want to address the underground economy due to the immigration issue. I think I could get elected to Governor on just this platform.

Lucky In OC for Governor in 2014…

[LuckyInOC]

Well, I did a little more research…

#1 Minimum Wage
– failure to pay minimum wage
– Penalty: $100 to each employee first violation
$250 to each employee each payperiod

#2 Pay Stub Rules
– Inclusive dates of pay period
– Name of employee and SSI number (last four digits)
– Name and address of employer
– hourly rates and hours worked by employee
– Penalty: $100 per employee, per violation – $4000 max

#3 Report New Employees
– Employee’s full name, SSI number, address, and start-of-work date
– Employer’s name, address, California employer account number, and FEIN.
– Within 20 days of hiring
– Penalty: $24 per employee

The penalties just on these items for 1 employee for 1 year:
#1 = $100 + ($250 x 25 wks) = $6,350
#2 = $100 + ($100 x 25wks) = $2,600
#3 = $24

Therefore, I can calcualate at least $8,974 in penalties per employee for employers who hire workers off the books – legal or illegal for one
year.

This would not be subject to discrimination charges by the Federal Courts because it would be applied to equally to citizens, non-citizens, authorized immigrants, or unauthorized immigrants under current laws that have been in place for many years. The violations are against the employers, not employees – unauthorized immigrants.

Did you know that of 389 inspections only 4,092 unreported employees were found at a citation amount of $4,106,894 or a $1000 per person.
http://www.edd.ca.gov/Payroll_Taxes/Underground_Economy_Operations.htm

That is only 1 inspection per day. The estimated number of illegal immigrants in California is 3 million. If I assume that 1/3 are employed, it will take the state of California (EDD) 244 years to find them all.

I know I could do better myself. I wonder if the state would contract that out to me. It is quite obvious our California and Federal politicians do not want to address the underground economy due to the immigration issue. I think I could get elected to Governor on just this platform.

Lucky In OC for Governor in 2014…

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