OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[KSMountain]

But wait. I live near the beach and I see police cars every night come and kick people out to close down the beach after 10.

That is evidently constitutional.

Would they not be able to talk to people who arrived by boat after 12?

What if the cops suspected they were carrying dope? Are they allowed to search the boat?

Would we have to say, “They couldn’t stop a boat with a sufficiently large group of people, because that is clearly an immigration-related action the local police can’t take”.

But what if it’s human trafficking, and the people aren’t even willing passengers?

Don’t the police in that case have an obligation to protect the exploited?

Also how should we deal with a case where both people and drugs are being transported in the same panga…

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]

Since it’s the role of the Feds to protect us from seaborne invaders, this would go to court.[/quote]

But if those are “invaders” in your book, isn’t it our second amendment right to form a militia that patrols beaches after dark and shoots the invaders?

[quote]Say the city of Del Mar was having an issue, and decided to have policemen question anyone coming ashore by boat after midnight.[/quote]

They may question anyone they want till they are blue in the face, but they don’t have any legal authority to arrest landing illegal immigrants without individual warrants.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]

Since it’s the role of the Feds to protect us from seaborne invaders, this would go to court.[/quote]

But if those are “invaders” in your book, isn’t it our second amendment right to form a militia that patrols beaches after dark and shoots the invaders?

[quote]Say the city of Del Mar was having an issue, and decided to have policemen question anyone coming ashore by boat after midnight.[/quote]

They may question anyone they want till they are blue in the face, but they don’t have any legal authority to arrest landing illegal immigrants without individual warrants.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]

Since it’s the role of the Feds to protect us from seaborne invaders, this would go to court.[/quote]

But if those are “invaders” in your book, isn’t it our second amendment right to form a militia that patrols beaches after dark and shoots the invaders?

[quote]Say the city of Del Mar was having an issue, and decided to have policemen question anyone coming ashore by boat after midnight.[/quote]

They may question anyone they want till they are blue in the face, but they don’t have any legal authority to arrest landing illegal immigrants without individual warrants.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]

Since it’s the role of the Feds to protect us from seaborne invaders, this would go to court.[/quote]

But if those are “invaders” in your book, isn’t it our second amendment right to form a militia that patrols beaches after dark and shoots the invaders?

[quote]Say the city of Del Mar was having an issue, and decided to have policemen question anyone coming ashore by boat after midnight.[/quote]

They may question anyone they want till they are blue in the face, but they don’t have any legal authority to arrest landing illegal immigrants without individual warrants.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]

Since it’s the role of the Feds to protect us from seaborne invaders, this would go to court.[/quote]

But if those are “invaders” in your book, isn’t it our second amendment right to form a militia that patrols beaches after dark and shoots the invaders?

[quote]Say the city of Del Mar was having an issue, and decided to have policemen question anyone coming ashore by boat after midnight.[/quote]

They may question anyone they want till they are blue in the face, but they don’t have any legal authority to arrest landing illegal immigrants without individual warrants.

[TenaciousSD]

@KSMountain

“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)

Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.

I got this from the article you linked to:
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The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”

“We’re one step behind,” he says.

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-

I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.

They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.

“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)

I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.

[TenaciousSD]

@KSMountain

“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)

Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.

I got this from the article you linked to:
———
The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”

“We’re one step behind,” he says.

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-

I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.

They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.

“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)

I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.

[TenaciousSD]

@KSMountain

“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)

Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.

I got this from the article you linked to:
———
The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”

“We’re one step behind,” he says.

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-

I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.

They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.

“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)

I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.

[TenaciousSD]

@KSMountain

“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)

Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.

I got this from the article you linked to:
———
The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”

“We’re one step behind,” he says.

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-

I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.

They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.

“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)

I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.

[TenaciousSD]

@KSMountain

“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)

Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.

I got this from the article you linked to:
———
The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”

“We’re one step behind,” he says.

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-

I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.

They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.

“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)

I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.

[Dougie944]

Aliens landing in droves in La Jolla is no different than Arizona’s plight. But you are right, people can only see the problem when it is affecting themselves. The reaction would be way different for those in La Jolla than it is now.

Most people in Arizona just want protection. Protect the border and provide a legal immigration route (orderly and through POE and with background check) for Mexican citizens to come and work. Greatly penalize anyone hiring around the system. Do these things and the problem is solved. What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.

[Dougie944]

Aliens landing in droves in La Jolla is no different than Arizona’s plight. But you are right, people can only see the problem when it is affecting themselves. The reaction would be way different for those in La Jolla than it is now.

Most people in Arizona just want protection. Protect the border and provide a legal immigration route (orderly and through POE and with background check) for Mexican citizens to come and work. Greatly penalize anyone hiring around the system. Do these things and the problem is solved. What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.

[Dougie944]

Aliens landing in droves in La Jolla is no different than Arizona’s plight. But you are right, people can only see the problem when it is affecting themselves. The reaction would be way different for those in La Jolla than it is now.

Most people in Arizona just want protection. Protect the border and provide a legal immigration route (orderly and through POE and with background check) for Mexican citizens to come and work. Greatly penalize anyone hiring around the system. Do these things and the problem is solved. What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.

[Dougie944]

Aliens landing in droves in La Jolla is no different than Arizona’s plight. But you are right, people can only see the problem when it is affecting themselves. The reaction would be way different for those in La Jolla than it is now.

Most people in Arizona just want protection. Protect the border and provide a legal immigration route (orderly and through POE and with background check) for Mexican citizens to come and work. Greatly penalize anyone hiring around the system. Do these things and the problem is solved. What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.

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