OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=Diego Mamani]According to the law of the land, only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration matters. The bigoted Arizona law may be popular with the majority now, but that doesn’t make it constitutional. (The National Socialist party in Germany was very popular with the majority in the 1930s, but they were still on the wrong side of history.)[/quote]

According to the law of the land, the Federal government has jurisdiction over bank robberies. Then why are local police the ones that apprehend and arrest the perps only to hand them over to the Feds. The state has laws that make robbery a crime that the police must enforce. Should the state change the law so bank robbery is not a crime because it is under the jurisdiction of the Fed. Should the local police just look the other way and make the FBI police its own jurisdiction and catch the robbers? This makes just as much sense.

It is not a question of jurisdiction of prosecution but jurisdiction of enforcement. For bank robberies, local police has jurisdiction of enforcement, but not prosecution. The FBI comes in ‘afterwards’ to prosecute the perps under Federal jurisdiction. This is because the Fed does not have enough personnel to secure and patrol every federal banking institution. The Fed relies on local police. Why should the illegal immigration problem be any different? If the Fed does not have enough resources to cover the banks, how could they possibly have enough resources to find 12 million illegal aliens without the help of local police?

That is all the law in Arizona is providing – additional enforcement. It is still up to the Government to prosecute illegal aliens. The local police should be able enforce all federal, state, and local laws that provide for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizenry.

Lucky In OC

[gandalf]

Another good post, Eugene.

Obama/Dems are part of the problem, especially the entitlement Dems. And as for President Obama, he’s conducted himself like a senator negotiating legislation. The job of President requires a greater measure of leadership, and he has yet to show up for the job in my view.

The bigger issue, however, is that the republican party is just awful, the worst ever in the history of our country. We’re in the middle of a tremendous national shit-storm and forty percent of our country is throwing a temper tantrum. That’s character, alright. Values voters? More like piece of shit losers.

Things will get worse before they get better.

[gandalf]

Another good post, Eugene.

Obama/Dems are part of the problem, especially the entitlement Dems. And as for President Obama, he’s conducted himself like a senator negotiating legislation. The job of President requires a greater measure of leadership, and he has yet to show up for the job in my view.

The bigger issue, however, is that the republican party is just awful, the worst ever in the history of our country. We’re in the middle of a tremendous national shit-storm and forty percent of our country is throwing a temper tantrum. That’s character, alright. Values voters? More like piece of shit losers.

Things will get worse before they get better.

[gandalf]

Another good post, Eugene.

Obama/Dems are part of the problem, especially the entitlement Dems. And as for President Obama, he’s conducted himself like a senator negotiating legislation. The job of President requires a greater measure of leadership, and he has yet to show up for the job in my view.

The bigger issue, however, is that the republican party is just awful, the worst ever in the history of our country. We’re in the middle of a tremendous national shit-storm and forty percent of our country is throwing a temper tantrum. That’s character, alright. Values voters? More like piece of shit losers.

Things will get worse before they get better.

[gandalf]

Another good post, Eugene.

Obama/Dems are part of the problem, especially the entitlement Dems. And as for President Obama, he’s conducted himself like a senator negotiating legislation. The job of President requires a greater measure of leadership, and he has yet to show up for the job in my view.

The bigger issue, however, is that the republican party is just awful, the worst ever in the history of our country. We’re in the middle of a tremendous national shit-storm and forty percent of our country is throwing a temper tantrum. That’s character, alright. Values voters? More like piece of shit losers.

Things will get worse before they get better.

[gandalf]

Another good post, Eugene.

Obama/Dems are part of the problem, especially the entitlement Dems. And as for President Obama, he’s conducted himself like a senator negotiating legislation. The job of President requires a greater measure of leadership, and he has yet to show up for the job in my view.

The bigger issue, however, is that the republican party is just awful, the worst ever in the history of our country. We’re in the middle of a tremendous national shit-storm and forty percent of our country is throwing a temper tantrum. That’s character, alright. Values voters? More like piece of shit losers.

Things will get worse before they get better.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene][quote=Aecetia]Obama is doing great, just look at his standings in the polls. “Number of Americans in poverty jumps to 43.6M; working-age poor at highest level since 1960s.” He is right up there with LBJ and Hoover.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/16/number-americans-poverty-jumps-m-working-age-poor-highest-level-s-1342948919/%5B/quote%5D

You know, when the poverty level is at the highest level since the 1960s and, despite several months of cajoling by the President, only 2 out of 40 or so Senators from a certain party vote in favor of a legislation that would extend unemployment benefits to many of those 43.6M working-age poor, one has to wonder whether the President is really the problem here.[/quote]

The problem is the obstructionist Republicans bent on blocking Obama, even when he adopts Republican ideas (such as health care reform).

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene][quote=Aecetia]Obama is doing great, just look at his standings in the polls. “Number of Americans in poverty jumps to 43.6M; working-age poor at highest level since 1960s.” He is right up there with LBJ and Hoover.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/16/number-americans-poverty-jumps-m-working-age-poor-highest-level-s-1342948919/%5B/quote%5D

You know, when the poverty level is at the highest level since the 1960s and, despite several months of cajoling by the President, only 2 out of 40 or so Senators from a certain party vote in favor of a legislation that would extend unemployment benefits to many of those 43.6M working-age poor, one has to wonder whether the President is really the problem here.[/quote]

The problem is the obstructionist Republicans bent on blocking Obama, even when he adopts Republican ideas (such as health care reform).

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene][quote=Aecetia]Obama is doing great, just look at his standings in the polls. “Number of Americans in poverty jumps to 43.6M; working-age poor at highest level since 1960s.” He is right up there with LBJ and Hoover.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/16/number-americans-poverty-jumps-m-working-age-poor-highest-level-s-1342948919/%5B/quote%5D

You know, when the poverty level is at the highest level since the 1960s and, despite several months of cajoling by the President, only 2 out of 40 or so Senators from a certain party vote in favor of a legislation that would extend unemployment benefits to many of those 43.6M working-age poor, one has to wonder whether the President is really the problem here.[/quote]

The problem is the obstructionist Republicans bent on blocking Obama, even when he adopts Republican ideas (such as health care reform).

[briansd1]

[quote=Eugene][quote=Aecetia]Obama is doing great, just look at his standings in the polls. “Number of Americans in poverty jumps to 43.6M; working-age poor at highest level since 1960s.” He is right up there with LBJ and Hoover.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/16/number-americans-poverty-jumps-m-working-age-poor-highest-level-s-1342948919/%5B/quote%5D

You know, when the poverty level is at the highest level since the 1960s and, despite several months of cajoling by the President, only 2 out of 40 or so Senators from a certain party vote in favor of a legislation that would extend unemployment benefits to many of those 43.6M working-age poor, one has to wonder whether the President is really the problem here.[/quote]

The problem is the obstructionist Republicans bent on blocking Obama, even when he adopts Republican ideas (such as health care reform).

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