OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[Eugene]

[quote=Aecetia]Obama is doing great, just look at his standings in the polls. “Number of Americans in poverty jumps to 43.6M; working-age poor at highest level since 1960s.” He is right up there with LBJ and Hoover.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/16/number-americans-poverty-jumps-m-working-age-poor-highest-level-s-1342948919/%5B/quote%5D

You know, when the poverty level is at the highest level since the 1960s and, despite several months of cajoling by the President, only 2 out of 40 or so Senators from a certain party vote in favor of a legislation that would extend unemployment benefits to many of those 43.6M working-age poor, one has to wonder whether the President is really the problem here.

[Dougie944]

Concho

I understand that Mexican citizens send billions back to Mexico every year and the Mex govt loves/needs that. Ever stop to think that a legal route of immigration would produce the same stream, if not more money?

So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?

I believe I saw that it takes a poor laborer, without any family connection, over a 100 years to get a visa to the US.

[Dougie944]

Concho

I understand that Mexican citizens send billions back to Mexico every year and the Mex govt loves/needs that. Ever stop to think that a legal route of immigration would produce the same stream, if not more money?

So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?

I believe I saw that it takes a poor laborer, without any family connection, over a 100 years to get a visa to the US.

[Dougie944]

Concho

I understand that Mexican citizens send billions back to Mexico every year and the Mex govt loves/needs that. Ever stop to think that a legal route of immigration would produce the same stream, if not more money?

So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?

I believe I saw that it takes a poor laborer, without any family connection, over a 100 years to get a visa to the US.

[Dougie944]

Concho

I understand that Mexican citizens send billions back to Mexico every year and the Mex govt loves/needs that. Ever stop to think that a legal route of immigration would produce the same stream, if not more money?

So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?

I believe I saw that it takes a poor laborer, without any family connection, over a 100 years to get a visa to the US.

[Dougie944]

Concho

I understand that Mexican citizens send billions back to Mexico every year and the Mex govt loves/needs that. Ever stop to think that a legal route of immigration would produce the same stream, if not more money?

So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?

I believe I saw that it takes a poor laborer, without any family connection, over a 100 years to get a visa to the US.

[blahblahblah]

[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
[/quote]

They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

[blahblahblah]

[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
[/quote]

They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

[blahblahblah]

[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
[/quote]

They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

[blahblahblah]

[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
[/quote]

They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

[blahblahblah]

[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
[/quote]

They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=Diego Mamani]According to the law of the land, only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration matters. The bigoted Arizona law may be popular with the majority now, but that doesn’t make it constitutional. (The National Socialist party in Germany was very popular with the majority in the 1930s, but they were still on the wrong side of history.)[/quote]

According to the law of the land, the Federal government has jurisdiction over bank robberies. Then why are local police the ones that apprehend and arrest the perps only to hand them over to the Feds. The state has laws that make robbery a crime that the police must enforce. Should the state change the law so bank robbery is not a crime because it is under the jurisdiction of the Fed. Should the local police just look the other way and make the FBI police its own jurisdiction and catch the robbers? This makes just as much sense.

It is not a question of jurisdiction of prosecution but jurisdiction of enforcement. For bank robberies, local police has jurisdiction of enforcement, but not prosecution. The FBI comes in ‘afterwards’ to prosecute the perps under Federal jurisdiction. This is because the Fed does not have enough personnel to secure and patrol every federal banking institution. The Fed relies on local police. Why should the illegal immigration problem be any different? If the Fed does not have enough resources to cover the banks, how could they possibly have enough resources to find 12 million illegal aliens without the help of local police?

That is all the law in Arizona is providing – additional enforcement. It is still up to the Government to prosecute illegal aliens. The local police should be able enforce all federal, state, and local laws that provide for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizenry.

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=Diego Mamani]According to the law of the land, only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration matters. The bigoted Arizona law may be popular with the majority now, but that doesn’t make it constitutional. (The National Socialist party in Germany was very popular with the majority in the 1930s, but they were still on the wrong side of history.)[/quote]

According to the law of the land, the Federal government has jurisdiction over bank robberies. Then why are local police the ones that apprehend and arrest the perps only to hand them over to the Feds. The state has laws that make robbery a crime that the police must enforce. Should the state change the law so bank robbery is not a crime because it is under the jurisdiction of the Fed. Should the local police just look the other way and make the FBI police its own jurisdiction and catch the robbers? This makes just as much sense.

It is not a question of jurisdiction of prosecution but jurisdiction of enforcement. For bank robberies, local police has jurisdiction of enforcement, but not prosecution. The FBI comes in ‘afterwards’ to prosecute the perps under Federal jurisdiction. This is because the Fed does not have enough personnel to secure and patrol every federal banking institution. The Fed relies on local police. Why should the illegal immigration problem be any different? If the Fed does not have enough resources to cover the banks, how could they possibly have enough resources to find 12 million illegal aliens without the help of local police?

That is all the law in Arizona is providing – additional enforcement. It is still up to the Government to prosecute illegal aliens. The local police should be able enforce all federal, state, and local laws that provide for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizenry.

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=Diego Mamani]According to the law of the land, only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration matters. The bigoted Arizona law may be popular with the majority now, but that doesn’t make it constitutional. (The National Socialist party in Germany was very popular with the majority in the 1930s, but they were still on the wrong side of history.)[/quote]

According to the law of the land, the Federal government has jurisdiction over bank robberies. Then why are local police the ones that apprehend and arrest the perps only to hand them over to the Feds. The state has laws that make robbery a crime that the police must enforce. Should the state change the law so bank robbery is not a crime because it is under the jurisdiction of the Fed. Should the local police just look the other way and make the FBI police its own jurisdiction and catch the robbers? This makes just as much sense.

It is not a question of jurisdiction of prosecution but jurisdiction of enforcement. For bank robberies, local police has jurisdiction of enforcement, but not prosecution. The FBI comes in ‘afterwards’ to prosecute the perps under Federal jurisdiction. This is because the Fed does not have enough personnel to secure and patrol every federal banking institution. The Fed relies on local police. Why should the illegal immigration problem be any different? If the Fed does not have enough resources to cover the banks, how could they possibly have enough resources to find 12 million illegal aliens without the help of local police?

That is all the law in Arizona is providing – additional enforcement. It is still up to the Government to prosecute illegal aliens. The local police should be able enforce all federal, state, and local laws that provide for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizenry.

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=Diego Mamani]According to the law of the land, only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration matters. The bigoted Arizona law may be popular with the majority now, but that doesn’t make it constitutional. (The National Socialist party in Germany was very popular with the majority in the 1930s, but they were still on the wrong side of history.)[/quote]

According to the law of the land, the Federal government has jurisdiction over bank robberies. Then why are local police the ones that apprehend and arrest the perps only to hand them over to the Feds. The state has laws that make robbery a crime that the police must enforce. Should the state change the law so bank robbery is not a crime because it is under the jurisdiction of the Fed. Should the local police just look the other way and make the FBI police its own jurisdiction and catch the robbers? This makes just as much sense.

It is not a question of jurisdiction of prosecution but jurisdiction of enforcement. For bank robberies, local police has jurisdiction of enforcement, but not prosecution. The FBI comes in ‘afterwards’ to prosecute the perps under Federal jurisdiction. This is because the Fed does not have enough personnel to secure and patrol every federal banking institution. The Fed relies on local police. Why should the illegal immigration problem be any different? If the Fed does not have enough resources to cover the banks, how could they possibly have enough resources to find 12 million illegal aliens without the help of local police?

That is all the law in Arizona is providing – additional enforcement. It is still up to the Government to prosecute illegal aliens. The local police should be able enforce all federal, state, and local laws that provide for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizenry.

Lucky In OC

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