Healthcare is not a right!?

[SK in CV]

[quote=meadandale][quote=briansd1]People who make more money need to pay for their own health care/insurance.[/quote]

So…I need to pay (more) taxes so OTHER people can have free basic healthcare…but I’m on my own and have to provide my own at my (additional) expense?

That’s certainly change we can believe in…./sarcasm[/quote]

No, that’s not change. It is exactly how it has been since 1913, the date of enactment of the first US income tax. The more income you have, the higher your marginal tax rate. Those with higher income pay more for services provided by the federal government than those with lower incomes. And for the most part, since then, the rich have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]And for the most part, since then, the rich have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer.[/quote]

Check out this chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_top_1%25.jpg
From this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

The article makes the interesting point that dual-income households have a big impact on the “inequality”.

Also there is a major correlation with education.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]And for the most part, since then, the rich have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer.[/quote]

Check out this chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_top_1%25.jpg
From this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

The article makes the interesting point that dual-income households have a big impact on the “inequality”.

Also there is a major correlation with education.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]And for the most part, since then, the rich have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer.[/quote]

Check out this chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_top_1%25.jpg
From this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

The article makes the interesting point that dual-income households have a big impact on the “inequality”.

Also there is a major correlation with education.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]And for the most part, since then, the rich have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer.[/quote]

Check out this chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_top_1%25.jpg
From this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

The article makes the interesting point that dual-income households have a big impact on the “inequality”.

Also there is a major correlation with education.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]And for the most part, since then, the rich have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer.[/quote]

Check out this chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_top_1%25.jpg
From this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

The article makes the interesting point that dual-income households have a big impact on the “inequality”.

Also there is a major correlation with education.

[aldante]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.[/quote]

Urban,
I am pretty bad at explaining can I try again?

I think a big part of the tea party movement believes opposite of what you are asserting. Since there is not a dogma there are many people in the movement – we all do not protest the same thing. People like me did not lose an election – we believe that our country is being lost. Unfortunately, reading this thread makes me think that is already gone: healthcare a right? the constitution a relic? Then what do we stand for mob rule? Do you realize that after WWII we helped rebuild Europe for $5billion? We gave one company $300 billion and another company $160 billion?

WE are being robbed by the governing class who are giving fat paydays to their buddies from the Ivy League. Healthcare is the “cake” that the population “gets as a Christmas gift”.

Who here gives a christmas gift to someone then tells the reciepient they have to pay for it now and the present comes 4 years later???????

Declare independence? Why? Its our country. The country is being stolen by a group of oligarchs who view themselves as better then you or I. This is specifically why the Constitution is not only relevant but the document we should look too for hope. That document is worth fighting for.

Revolution? I hope not. Changing the “cake”mentality God I hope so. The state does not have the right to our property. We give our property to the state to justly protect our rights.

[aldante]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.[/quote]

Urban,
I am pretty bad at explaining can I try again?

I think a big part of the tea party movement believes opposite of what you are asserting. Since there is not a dogma there are many people in the movement – we all do not protest the same thing. People like me did not lose an election – we believe that our country is being lost. Unfortunately, reading this thread makes me think that is already gone: healthcare a right? the constitution a relic? Then what do we stand for mob rule? Do you realize that after WWII we helped rebuild Europe for $5billion? We gave one company $300 billion and another company $160 billion?

WE are being robbed by the governing class who are giving fat paydays to their buddies from the Ivy League. Healthcare is the “cake” that the population “gets as a Christmas gift”.

Who here gives a christmas gift to someone then tells the reciepient they have to pay for it now and the present comes 4 years later???????

Declare independence? Why? Its our country. The country is being stolen by a group of oligarchs who view themselves as better then you or I. This is specifically why the Constitution is not only relevant but the document we should look too for hope. That document is worth fighting for.

Revolution? I hope not. Changing the “cake”mentality God I hope so. The state does not have the right to our property. We give our property to the state to justly protect our rights.

[aldante]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.[/quote]

Urban,
I am pretty bad at explaining can I try again?

I think a big part of the tea party movement believes opposite of what you are asserting. Since there is not a dogma there are many people in the movement – we all do not protest the same thing. People like me did not lose an election – we believe that our country is being lost. Unfortunately, reading this thread makes me think that is already gone: healthcare a right? the constitution a relic? Then what do we stand for mob rule? Do you realize that after WWII we helped rebuild Europe for $5billion? We gave one company $300 billion and another company $160 billion?

WE are being robbed by the governing class who are giving fat paydays to their buddies from the Ivy League. Healthcare is the “cake” that the population “gets as a Christmas gift”.

Who here gives a christmas gift to someone then tells the reciepient they have to pay for it now and the present comes 4 years later???????

Declare independence? Why? Its our country. The country is being stolen by a group of oligarchs who view themselves as better then you or I. This is specifically why the Constitution is not only relevant but the document we should look too for hope. That document is worth fighting for.

Revolution? I hope not. Changing the “cake”mentality God I hope so. The state does not have the right to our property. We give our property to the state to justly protect our rights.

[aldante]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?

You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.

BFD

I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.

You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.

Not exactly the makings of a revolution.

If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.[/quote]

Urban,
I am pretty bad at explaining can I try again?

I think a big part of the tea party movement believes opposite of what you are asserting. Since there is not a dogma there are many people in the movement – we all do not protest the same thing. People like me did not lose an election – we believe that our country is being lost. Unfortunately, reading this thread makes me think that is already gone: healthcare a right? the constitution a relic? Then what do we stand for mob rule? Do you realize that after WWII we helped rebuild Europe for $5billion? We gave one company $300 billion and another company $160 billion?

WE are being robbed by the governing class who are giving fat paydays to their buddies from the Ivy League. Healthcare is the “cake” that the population “gets as a Christmas gift”.

Who here gives a christmas gift to someone then tells the reciepient they have to pay for it now and the present comes 4 years later???????

Declare independence? Why? Its our country. The country is being stolen by a group of oligarchs who view themselves as better then you or I. This is specifically why the Constitution is not only relevant but the document we should look too for hope. That document is worth fighting for.

Revolution? I hope not. Changing the “cake”mentality God I hope so. The state does not have the right to our property. We give our property to the state to justly protect our rights.

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