Healthcare is not a right!?

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[quote=jficquette][quote=Arraya]Obama made an argument in 2008 when he said he was AGAINST the individual mandate. He joked, “We could solve the homeless problem by requiring that everybody buy a house.” That was Candidate Obama.

The really absurd thing about this is that for years it was the REPUBLICANS who favored the individual mandate – everybody being forced to buy private health insurance – this was their big “reform” idea going back to the 90s. Now all of a sudden the Dems have adopted it, and the Repubs don’t support it anymore.

Bush got everything he wanted and Obama is getting nothing (although he has to pretend to want what he gets to maintain the illusion that he is powerful). The right yells that he is a tyrant, yet the right is getting their way. Politics is too funny.[/quote]

Obama is clueless. He trys to make a joke without realizing the truth to what he was saying.
Everyone getting a house is exactly what Fannie Mae allowed and is what caused this mess.

John[/quote]

I agree and completely powerless and ineffectual. Probably the most irrelevant president ever. He’s just kind of there while the grown ups take care of business behind the scenes. Keeping up the illusion, relaying and filtering information. A lot like GW but with a different audience. The fact that the president has very little control creates either an “idiot” or “liar” effect. GW played the idiot like a champ, Obama will most likely play the liar.

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You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.

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You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.

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You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.

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You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.

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You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.

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[quote=afx114]You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.[/quote]

Hey now, the ethics of insurance execs are top notch compared to evil government doctors. Profit is known to generate the best ethics.

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[quote=afx114]You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.[/quote]

Hey now, the ethics of insurance execs are top notch compared to evil government doctors. Profit is known to generate the best ethics.

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[quote=afx114]You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.[/quote]

Hey now, the ethics of insurance execs are top notch compared to evil government doctors. Profit is known to generate the best ethics.

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[quote=afx114]You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.[/quote]

Hey now, the ethics of insurance execs are top notch compared to evil government doctors. Profit is known to generate the best ethics.

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[quote=afx114]You guys are discussing rationing as if it isn’t already happening.[/quote]

Hey now, the ethics of insurance execs are top notch compared to evil government doctors. Profit is known to generate the best ethics.

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[quote=davelj][quote=jficquette]We will have cures for Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes within 20-30 years. In 30-50 we will be growing our own Organs for transplantation when, if they wear out.

We should take a long term view on this and create some type of crash program to bring these advances ASAP.

Get rid of disease and we get rid of the burden of these expensive end of life treatments that weigh the system down so much now.

A child born today will have no reason not to be able to live to 120-150.

Sci Fi? Nope.

John[/quote]

And what happens when folks get to be 120, when these organs start to wear out? We’ll have exactly the same problems. Don’t get me wrong, I’m in favor of advancing medical technology. But… even when we’re growing our own organs, etc. we’re just going to keep coming up with new expensive procedures that everyone will feel is their right to have access to. Thus, the cycle will never end.[/quote]

The expense now is treating the cancer, heart disease, kidney failures etc in older people.

Eliminate the disease and you won’t have to worry about the cost.

John

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[quote=davelj][quote=jficquette]We will have cures for Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes within 20-30 years. In 30-50 we will be growing our own Organs for transplantation when, if they wear out.

We should take a long term view on this and create some type of crash program to bring these advances ASAP.

Get rid of disease and we get rid of the burden of these expensive end of life treatments that weigh the system down so much now.

A child born today will have no reason not to be able to live to 120-150.

Sci Fi? Nope.

John[/quote]

And what happens when folks get to be 120, when these organs start to wear out? We’ll have exactly the same problems. Don’t get me wrong, I’m in favor of advancing medical technology. But… even when we’re growing our own organs, etc. we’re just going to keep coming up with new expensive procedures that everyone will feel is their right to have access to. Thus, the cycle will never end.[/quote]

The expense now is treating the cancer, heart disease, kidney failures etc in older people.

Eliminate the disease and you won’t have to worry about the cost.

John

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[quote=davelj][quote=jficquette]We will have cures for Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes within 20-30 years. In 30-50 we will be growing our own Organs for transplantation when, if they wear out.

We should take a long term view on this and create some type of crash program to bring these advances ASAP.

Get rid of disease and we get rid of the burden of these expensive end of life treatments that weigh the system down so much now.

A child born today will have no reason not to be able to live to 120-150.

Sci Fi? Nope.

John[/quote]

And what happens when folks get to be 120, when these organs start to wear out? We’ll have exactly the same problems. Don’t get me wrong, I’m in favor of advancing medical technology. But… even when we’re growing our own organs, etc. we’re just going to keep coming up with new expensive procedures that everyone will feel is their right to have access to. Thus, the cycle will never end.[/quote]

The expense now is treating the cancer, heart disease, kidney failures etc in older people.

Eliminate the disease and you won’t have to worry about the cost.

John

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[quote=davelj][quote=jficquette]We will have cures for Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes within 20-30 years. In 30-50 we will be growing our own Organs for transplantation when, if they wear out.

We should take a long term view on this and create some type of crash program to bring these advances ASAP.

Get rid of disease and we get rid of the burden of these expensive end of life treatments that weigh the system down so much now.

A child born today will have no reason not to be able to live to 120-150.

Sci Fi? Nope.

John[/quote]

And what happens when folks get to be 120, when these organs start to wear out? We’ll have exactly the same problems. Don’t get me wrong, I’m in favor of advancing medical technology. But… even when we’re growing our own organs, etc. we’re just going to keep coming up with new expensive procedures that everyone will feel is their right to have access to. Thus, the cycle will never end.[/quote]

The expense now is treating the cancer, heart disease, kidney failures etc in older people.

Eliminate the disease and you won’t have to worry about the cost.

John

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