Healthcare is not a right!?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CONCHO]My argument had to do solely with being forced to purchase a federally mandated product or face the risk of sanction.

What about SSDI? That stands for Social Security and Disability INSURANCE. Try not paying it sometime and see what happens to you. It’s not a tax, it is a federal insurance program that we all must comply with by law. You can’t opt out.

The only difference between SSDI and this new healthcare scam is that the money will go straight to corporations rather than into a public trust.[/quote]

CONCHO: You’re right and I agree. I also agree with the use of the word “scam” to describe the new health care bill. This thing is a hot mess and getting worse, as is the situation in Washington.

Now, I know I’ll be accused of partisanship here, but, across the board, things seem to be getting a lot worse and not better. The answer to everything seems to be to allow the Big Government theocrats full rein and just go along with the scam, as the printing presses keep running and Prez Barry assures us, as do Bernanke and the fools in Congress, that all is well and not to fear.

I don’t know about you, but I can’t recall feeling this uneasy about the state of this country.

[pertinazzio]

anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.

[pertinazzio]

anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.

[pertinazzio]

anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.

[pertinazzio]

anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.

[pertinazzio]

anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.

[patb]

[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.

No one should go hungry, but —

Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

[patb]

[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.

No one should go hungry, but —

Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

[patb]

[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.

No one should go hungry, but —

Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

[patb]

[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.

No one should go hungry, but —

Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

[patb]

[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.

No one should go hungry, but —

Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

[ucodegen]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

You need to produce better examples.

*Parks are public owned property, not a produced good. The maintenance of said property is a service.. though now they have individual fees on such parks which were initially provided by through general taxes.

*not all sidewalks are done by the gov. I fact, most are done by the property owner as a requirement… as well as roads in many places. This is why you will often see sidewalks, curbs and roads in the middle of new developments before the houses are completed yet.

*national defense.. is a service not a good.

*I-15 was contracted out.. it was not build by the government.. as with virtually all highway work.

[ucodegen]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

You need to produce better examples.

*Parks are public owned property, not a produced good. The maintenance of said property is a service.. though now they have individual fees on such parks which were initially provided by through general taxes.

*not all sidewalks are done by the gov. I fact, most are done by the property owner as a requirement… as well as roads in many places. This is why you will often see sidewalks, curbs and roads in the middle of new developments before the houses are completed yet.

*national defense.. is a service not a good.

*I-15 was contracted out.. it was not build by the government.. as with virtually all highway work.

[ucodegen]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

You need to produce better examples.

*Parks are public owned property, not a produced good. The maintenance of said property is a service.. though now they have individual fees on such parks which were initially provided by through general taxes.

*not all sidewalks are done by the gov. I fact, most are done by the property owner as a requirement… as well as roads in many places. This is why you will often see sidewalks, curbs and roads in the middle of new developments before the houses are completed yet.

*national defense.. is a service not a good.

*I-15 was contracted out.. it was not build by the government.. as with virtually all highway work.

[ucodegen]

The government produces nothing?

By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.

The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.

You need to produce better examples.

*Parks are public owned property, not a produced good. The maintenance of said property is a service.. though now they have individual fees on such parks which were initially provided by through general taxes.

*not all sidewalks are done by the gov. I fact, most are done by the property owner as a requirement… as well as roads in many places. This is why you will often see sidewalks, curbs and roads in the middle of new developments before the houses are completed yet.

*national defense.. is a service not a good.

*I-15 was contracted out.. it was not build by the government.. as with virtually all highway work.

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