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February 17, 2009 at 5:30 PM #348861February 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM #348302
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ParticipantThis is the only country in the world were you get people championing thier own shittyness as if they are somehow pointing a finger at the other American and 4 are not pointing back at them.
GM is us, Ford is us. Those are our cars and the people building them are our fellow workers. We are connected no matter how much we try and act like we are each little economic islands unto ourselves who are so very important that an unscheduled trip to the dealership every 6 months is unthinkable.
What brought about this self-destructive attitude? I’ll go out on a limb and say that every US car sold in the past 30 years provided at least a satisfactory job at getting people from point A to point B. Sure some were better than others but at no time were American roads littered with broken down vehicles with mobs of people stranded on their way to work.
Its all a silly perspective of demanding to not be inconvenienced into going to a dealership once and a while.
Had we been the slightest bit proud of ourselves or as supportive of our industry as other countries around the globe are, we might still have a gigantic manufacturing base instead of blindly following TPTB into service and FIRE economy jobs.
Oh well, at least Obama is actively seeking to give us access to more credit. Why build or earn when we can borrow and send that money to Japan, Germany and Korea? Weeeeeee!
February 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM #348619ParticipantThis is the only country in the world were you get people championing thier own shittyness as if they are somehow pointing a finger at the other American and 4 are not pointing back at them.
GM is us, Ford is us. Those are our cars and the people building them are our fellow workers. We are connected no matter how much we try and act like we are each little economic islands unto ourselves who are so very important that an unscheduled trip to the dealership every 6 months is unthinkable.
What brought about this self-destructive attitude? I’ll go out on a limb and say that every US car sold in the past 30 years provided at least a satisfactory job at getting people from point A to point B. Sure some were better than others but at no time were American roads littered with broken down vehicles with mobs of people stranded on their way to work.
Its all a silly perspective of demanding to not be inconvenienced into going to a dealership once and a while.
Had we been the slightest bit proud of ourselves or as supportive of our industry as other countries around the globe are, we might still have a gigantic manufacturing base instead of blindly following TPTB into service and FIRE economy jobs.
Oh well, at least Obama is actively seeking to give us access to more credit. Why build or earn when we can borrow and send that money to Japan, Germany and Korea? Weeeeeee!
February 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM #348738ParticipantThis is the only country in the world were you get people championing thier own shittyness as if they are somehow pointing a finger at the other American and 4 are not pointing back at them.
GM is us, Ford is us. Those are our cars and the people building them are our fellow workers. We are connected no matter how much we try and act like we are each little economic islands unto ourselves who are so very important that an unscheduled trip to the dealership every 6 months is unthinkable.
What brought about this self-destructive attitude? I’ll go out on a limb and say that every US car sold in the past 30 years provided at least a satisfactory job at getting people from point A to point B. Sure some were better than others but at no time were American roads littered with broken down vehicles with mobs of people stranded on their way to work.
Its all a silly perspective of demanding to not be inconvenienced into going to a dealership once and a while.
Had we been the slightest bit proud of ourselves or as supportive of our industry as other countries around the globe are, we might still have a gigantic manufacturing base instead of blindly following TPTB into service and FIRE economy jobs.
Oh well, at least Obama is actively seeking to give us access to more credit. Why build or earn when we can borrow and send that money to Japan, Germany and Korea? Weeeeeee!
February 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM #348770ParticipantThis is the only country in the world were you get people championing thier own shittyness as if they are somehow pointing a finger at the other American and 4 are not pointing back at them.
GM is us, Ford is us. Those are our cars and the people building them are our fellow workers. We are connected no matter how much we try and act like we are each little economic islands unto ourselves who are so very important that an unscheduled trip to the dealership every 6 months is unthinkable.
What brought about this self-destructive attitude? I’ll go out on a limb and say that every US car sold in the past 30 years provided at least a satisfactory job at getting people from point A to point B. Sure some were better than others but at no time were American roads littered with broken down vehicles with mobs of people stranded on their way to work.
Its all a silly perspective of demanding to not be inconvenienced into going to a dealership once and a while.
Had we been the slightest bit proud of ourselves or as supportive of our industry as other countries around the globe are, we might still have a gigantic manufacturing base instead of blindly following TPTB into service and FIRE economy jobs.
Oh well, at least Obama is actively seeking to give us access to more credit. Why build or earn when we can borrow and send that money to Japan, Germany and Korea? Weeeeeee!
February 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM #348871ParticipantThis is the only country in the world were you get people championing thier own shittyness as if they are somehow pointing a finger at the other American and 4 are not pointing back at them.
GM is us, Ford is us. Those are our cars and the people building them are our fellow workers. We are connected no matter how much we try and act like we are each little economic islands unto ourselves who are so very important that an unscheduled trip to the dealership every 6 months is unthinkable.
What brought about this self-destructive attitude? I’ll go out on a limb and say that every US car sold in the past 30 years provided at least a satisfactory job at getting people from point A to point B. Sure some were better than others but at no time were American roads littered with broken down vehicles with mobs of people stranded on their way to work.
Its all a silly perspective of demanding to not be inconvenienced into going to a dealership once and a while.
Had we been the slightest bit proud of ourselves or as supportive of our industry as other countries around the globe are, we might still have a gigantic manufacturing base instead of blindly following TPTB into service and FIRE economy jobs.
Oh well, at least Obama is actively seeking to give us access to more credit. Why build or earn when we can borrow and send that money to Japan, Germany and Korea? Weeeeeee!
February 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM #348307macromaniac
ParticipantScarlet,
You can get some really good deals on GM cars right now. Maybe we should all, in the spirit of helping our neighbor, go buy one so they can keep their jobs and get paid almost DOUBLE what Toyota and Honda workers get paid…..now that is really smart and is a very profitable business model.
Better yet, I am going to go start a business and pay people DOUBLE what my competitor pays their employees. Not only that, when they retire, we are going to keep paying them almost 100% of their salary and cover all their health care.
This makes so much sense……STUPID. Let it burn and come back more efficient…that’s how nature works….this business model is flawed and cannot be sustained unless you are willing to throw countless BILLIONS at it for years….
By the way, I do own a Lincoln Navigator….that should make you happy….
February 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM #348624ParticipantScarlet,
You can get some really good deals on GM cars right now. Maybe we should all, in the spirit of helping our neighbor, go buy one so they can keep their jobs and get paid almost DOUBLE what Toyota and Honda workers get paid…..now that is really smart and is a very profitable business model.
Better yet, I am going to go start a business and pay people DOUBLE what my competitor pays their employees. Not only that, when they retire, we are going to keep paying them almost 100% of their salary and cover all their health care.
This makes so much sense……STUPID. Let it burn and come back more efficient…that’s how nature works….this business model is flawed and cannot be sustained unless you are willing to throw countless BILLIONS at it for years….
By the way, I do own a Lincoln Navigator….that should make you happy….
February 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM #348743ParticipantScarlet,
You can get some really good deals on GM cars right now. Maybe we should all, in the spirit of helping our neighbor, go buy one so they can keep their jobs and get paid almost DOUBLE what Toyota and Honda workers get paid…..now that is really smart and is a very profitable business model.
Better yet, I am going to go start a business and pay people DOUBLE what my competitor pays their employees. Not only that, when they retire, we are going to keep paying them almost 100% of their salary and cover all their health care.
This makes so much sense……STUPID. Let it burn and come back more efficient…that’s how nature works….this business model is flawed and cannot be sustained unless you are willing to throw countless BILLIONS at it for years….
By the way, I do own a Lincoln Navigator….that should make you happy….
February 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM #348775ParticipantScarlet,
You can get some really good deals on GM cars right now. Maybe we should all, in the spirit of helping our neighbor, go buy one so they can keep their jobs and get paid almost DOUBLE what Toyota and Honda workers get paid…..now that is really smart and is a very profitable business model.
Better yet, I am going to go start a business and pay people DOUBLE what my competitor pays their employees. Not only that, when they retire, we are going to keep paying them almost 100% of their salary and cover all their health care.
This makes so much sense……STUPID. Let it burn and come back more efficient…that’s how nature works….this business model is flawed and cannot be sustained unless you are willing to throw countless BILLIONS at it for years….
By the way, I do own a Lincoln Navigator….that should make you happy….
February 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM #348876ParticipantScarlet,
You can get some really good deals on GM cars right now. Maybe we should all, in the spirit of helping our neighbor, go buy one so they can keep their jobs and get paid almost DOUBLE what Toyota and Honda workers get paid…..now that is really smart and is a very profitable business model.
Better yet, I am going to go start a business and pay people DOUBLE what my competitor pays their employees. Not only that, when they retire, we are going to keep paying them almost 100% of their salary and cover all their health care.
This makes so much sense……STUPID. Let it burn and come back more efficient…that’s how nature works….this business model is flawed and cannot be sustained unless you are willing to throw countless BILLIONS at it for years….
By the way, I do own a Lincoln Navigator….that should make you happy….
February 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM #348312ParticipantI know you aren’t calling me stupid!
Anyone who belives the MSM BS about UAW workers making double is a complete lemming tool. Do a little of your own research and stop towing the parrot lines your corporate masters throw to you.
Do a little research into health insurance laws in the US versus the rest of the world and the unfair burden our own Gov. forces on our manufacturers. How about frivalous law suits? Care to guess how much Ford and GM have in each car to cover those costs, versus glorious Japan?
Every heard of currency manipulation?
No way someone who makes the remarks you do can be successful enough to own a Navigator.
Oh wait this is the interent….I have two Navigators and and four Escalades. And I have a 57 Cheby too, chop chort, candy apple red!
February 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM #348629ParticipantI know you aren’t calling me stupid!
Anyone who belives the MSM BS about UAW workers making double is a complete lemming tool. Do a little of your own research and stop towing the parrot lines your corporate masters throw to you.
Do a little research into health insurance laws in the US versus the rest of the world and the unfair burden our own Gov. forces on our manufacturers. How about frivalous law suits? Care to guess how much Ford and GM have in each car to cover those costs, versus glorious Japan?
Every heard of currency manipulation?
No way someone who makes the remarks you do can be successful enough to own a Navigator.
Oh wait this is the interent….I have two Navigators and and four Escalades. And I have a 57 Cheby too, chop chort, candy apple red!
February 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM #348748ParticipantI know you aren’t calling me stupid!
Anyone who belives the MSM BS about UAW workers making double is a complete lemming tool. Do a little of your own research and stop towing the parrot lines your corporate masters throw to you.
Do a little research into health insurance laws in the US versus the rest of the world and the unfair burden our own Gov. forces on our manufacturers. How about frivalous law suits? Care to guess how much Ford and GM have in each car to cover those costs, versus glorious Japan?
Every heard of currency manipulation?
No way someone who makes the remarks you do can be successful enough to own a Navigator.
Oh wait this is the interent….I have two Navigators and and four Escalades. And I have a 57 Cheby too, chop chort, candy apple red!
February 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM #348780ParticipantI know you aren’t calling me stupid!
Anyone who belives the MSM BS about UAW workers making double is a complete lemming tool. Do a little of your own research and stop towing the parrot lines your corporate masters throw to you.
Do a little research into health insurance laws in the US versus the rest of the world and the unfair burden our own Gov. forces on our manufacturers. How about frivalous law suits? Care to guess how much Ford and GM have in each car to cover those costs, versus glorious Japan?
Every heard of currency manipulation?
No way someone who makes the remarks you do can be successful enough to own a Navigator.
Oh wait this is the interent….I have two Navigators and and four Escalades. And I have a 57 Cheby too, chop chort, candy apple red!
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