GM seeks up to $30B in aid, to cut 47,000 jobs

[SanDiegoDave]

It’s not just corporate offshoring that thinks American car companies produce inferior products: just about every independent auto rating organization in the world rates them that way.

Everything from re-sale value to mean-time-to-failure shows that the cars just don’t hold up against the foreign ones.

That’s not to say that all American cars are junk. Your experience Scarlet is great. I wish I would have had the same experience with the American cars I owned. But I didn’t. And based on my experiences and what I research on my own when shopping for an automobile, the U.S. cars are eliminated almost immediately.

And for me, that is what it means to “Buy American”. The American ideal is about freedom. Being able to discern the best value for your own dollar and personal taste makes one more of an American than making a decision based on faith or placing your trust into the dogma of a simple motto.

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[quote=rnen]

I have owned nissan pick ups in the past and zero problems.

IMHO and experience GMC and their pampered union workers turn out crap. I must be the exception to the rule.[/quote]

I don’t know but I do know you are the exception when it comes to giving Nissan props for their POS

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/nissan_titan.html

Check out the muffler fell off post LOL!

Look I know I’m gonna get piled on for taking the side of the American auto maker, that a no-brainer for no-brainers.

Corporate America does not want us building the products we buy. They surely do not want us demanding that the products we purchase be built in the US by US workers. They want to control labor and labor costs of everything we are allowed to purchase. They are smart, and they are succeeding. It won’t be long now before their plan will be complete. You haters will usher that along with the torrent of anti-American posts that always follow anybody trying to say something good about US cars.

So tell yourself whatever makes you feel better. Or you could actually look at some reports on the quality of US cars??? Nah, that might confuse your preconcieved and pre-programed thought patterns.

[Rt.66]

[quote=rnen]

I have owned nissan pick ups in the past and zero problems.

IMHO and experience GMC and their pampered union workers turn out crap. I must be the exception to the rule.[/quote]

I don’t know but I do know you are the exception when it comes to giving Nissan props for their POS

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/nissan_titan.html

Check out the muffler fell off post LOL!

Look I know I’m gonna get piled on for taking the side of the American auto maker, that a no-brainer for no-brainers.

Corporate America does not want us building the products we buy. They surely do not want us demanding that the products we purchase be built in the US by US workers. They want to control labor and labor costs of everything we are allowed to purchase. They are smart, and they are succeeding. It won’t be long now before their plan will be complete. You haters will usher that along with the torrent of anti-American posts that always follow anybody trying to say something good about US cars.

So tell yourself whatever makes you feel better. Or you could actually look at some reports on the quality of US cars??? Nah, that might confuse your preconcieved and pre-programed thought patterns.

[Rt.66]

[quote=rnen]

I have owned nissan pick ups in the past and zero problems.

IMHO and experience GMC and their pampered union workers turn out crap. I must be the exception to the rule.[/quote]

I don’t know but I do know you are the exception when it comes to giving Nissan props for their POS

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/nissan_titan.html

Check out the muffler fell off post LOL!

Look I know I’m gonna get piled on for taking the side of the American auto maker, that a no-brainer for no-brainers.

Corporate America does not want us building the products we buy. They surely do not want us demanding that the products we purchase be built in the US by US workers. They want to control labor and labor costs of everything we are allowed to purchase. They are smart, and they are succeeding. It won’t be long now before their plan will be complete. You haters will usher that along with the torrent of anti-American posts that always follow anybody trying to say something good about US cars.

So tell yourself whatever makes you feel better. Or you could actually look at some reports on the quality of US cars??? Nah, that might confuse your preconcieved and pre-programed thought patterns.

[Rt.66]

[quote=rnen]

I have owned nissan pick ups in the past and zero problems.

IMHO and experience GMC and their pampered union workers turn out crap. I must be the exception to the rule.[/quote]

I don’t know but I do know you are the exception when it comes to giving Nissan props for their POS

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/nissan_titan.html

Check out the muffler fell off post LOL!

Look I know I’m gonna get piled on for taking the side of the American auto maker, that a no-brainer for no-brainers.

Corporate America does not want us building the products we buy. They surely do not want us demanding that the products we purchase be built in the US by US workers. They want to control labor and labor costs of everything we are allowed to purchase. They are smart, and they are succeeding. It won’t be long now before their plan will be complete. You haters will usher that along with the torrent of anti-American posts that always follow anybody trying to say something good about US cars.

So tell yourself whatever makes you feel better. Or you could actually look at some reports on the quality of US cars??? Nah, that might confuse your preconcieved and pre-programed thought patterns.

[Rt.66]

[quote=rnen]

I have owned nissan pick ups in the past and zero problems.

IMHO and experience GMC and their pampered union workers turn out crap. I must be the exception to the rule.[/quote]

I don’t know but I do know you are the exception when it comes to giving Nissan props for their POS

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/nissan_titan.html

Check out the muffler fell off post LOL!

Look I know I’m gonna get piled on for taking the side of the American auto maker, that a no-brainer for no-brainers.

Corporate America does not want us building the products we buy. They surely do not want us demanding that the products we purchase be built in the US by US workers. They want to control labor and labor costs of everything we are allowed to purchase. They are smart, and they are succeeding. It won’t be long now before their plan will be complete. You haters will usher that along with the torrent of anti-American posts that always follow anybody trying to say something good about US cars.

So tell yourself whatever makes you feel better. Or you could actually look at some reports on the quality of US cars??? Nah, that might confuse your preconcieved and pre-programed thought patterns.

[Rt.66]

JD Power intitial quality:
Highest-ranked:

Subcompact car Honda Fit
Compact car Honda Civic
Sporty car Mazda MX-5 Miata
Compact premium sporty car Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Entry premium vehicle Infiniti EX35
Midsize premium car Infiniti M35/45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class (tie)
Large premium car Lexus LS
Midsize car Chevrolet Malibu
Large car Pontiac Grand Prix
Compact SUV Honda CR-V
Midsize SUV Dodge Durango
Large SUV Toyota Sequoia
Midsize premium SUV Lexus RX
Large premium SUV Lincoln Navigator
Large pickup Chevrolet Silverado
Midsize pickup Dodge Dakota
Van (includes minivans) Ford E-Series

I don’t think we should throw in the towel just yet people.
9 for Japan
7 for the US
2 for Germany
Zero for the rest of the world’s cars.

[Rt.66]

JD Power intitial quality:
Highest-ranked:

Subcompact car Honda Fit
Compact car Honda Civic
Sporty car Mazda MX-5 Miata
Compact premium sporty car Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Entry premium vehicle Infiniti EX35
Midsize premium car Infiniti M35/45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class (tie)
Large premium car Lexus LS
Midsize car Chevrolet Malibu
Large car Pontiac Grand Prix
Compact SUV Honda CR-V
Midsize SUV Dodge Durango
Large SUV Toyota Sequoia
Midsize premium SUV Lexus RX
Large premium SUV Lincoln Navigator
Large pickup Chevrolet Silverado
Midsize pickup Dodge Dakota
Van (includes minivans) Ford E-Series

I don’t think we should throw in the towel just yet people.
9 for Japan
7 for the US
2 for Germany
Zero for the rest of the world’s cars.

[Rt.66]

JD Power intitial quality:
Highest-ranked:

Subcompact car Honda Fit
Compact car Honda Civic
Sporty car Mazda MX-5 Miata
Compact premium sporty car Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Entry premium vehicle Infiniti EX35
Midsize premium car Infiniti M35/45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class (tie)
Large premium car Lexus LS
Midsize car Chevrolet Malibu
Large car Pontiac Grand Prix
Compact SUV Honda CR-V
Midsize SUV Dodge Durango
Large SUV Toyota Sequoia
Midsize premium SUV Lexus RX
Large premium SUV Lincoln Navigator
Large pickup Chevrolet Silverado
Midsize pickup Dodge Dakota
Van (includes minivans) Ford E-Series

I don’t think we should throw in the towel just yet people.
9 for Japan
7 for the US
2 for Germany
Zero for the rest of the world’s cars.

[Rt.66]

JD Power intitial quality:
Highest-ranked:

Subcompact car Honda Fit
Compact car Honda Civic
Sporty car Mazda MX-5 Miata
Compact premium sporty car Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Entry premium vehicle Infiniti EX35
Midsize premium car Infiniti M35/45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class (tie)
Large premium car Lexus LS
Midsize car Chevrolet Malibu
Large car Pontiac Grand Prix
Compact SUV Honda CR-V
Midsize SUV Dodge Durango
Large SUV Toyota Sequoia
Midsize premium SUV Lexus RX
Large premium SUV Lincoln Navigator
Large pickup Chevrolet Silverado
Midsize pickup Dodge Dakota
Van (includes minivans) Ford E-Series

I don’t think we should throw in the towel just yet people.
9 for Japan
7 for the US
2 for Germany
Zero for the rest of the world’s cars.

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