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February 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM #348911February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348352CoronitaParticipant
[quote=Borat]Just sold a 95 ford ranger with 140K miles. We had only a couple of minor problems in 14 years of ownership. In 2007 it had a sensor problem that was hard for the shop to fix, but once they did we were golden. Great truck, sad to see it go but we didn’t have room for it.
I had a 94 VW, now that thing was a piece. It ran okay but it had so many trim and fit&finish problems it was ridiculous.[/quote]
Well, here’s the deal.
You want reliability, get something Korean/Japanese.
You want something fun to drive, get something european.
And that is where the problem is. Where do american cars stand? I’m not calling everything “crap”. But a good deal of the cars are “crap” at least from the appeal perspective. Name one car from Chrysler (save Viper) that you would pay money to drive??? I can’t think of one.
Even the latest minivans (which this company invented) is less appealing imho than any of the foreign labels. Ever ride in a sebring? I can’t get over the poor workmanship and shoddy material and it’s not that much cheaper than your foreign import.February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348669CoronitaParticipant[quote=Borat]Just sold a 95 ford ranger with 140K miles. We had only a couple of minor problems in 14 years of ownership. In 2007 it had a sensor problem that was hard for the shop to fix, but once they did we were golden. Great truck, sad to see it go but we didn’t have room for it.
I had a 94 VW, now that thing was a piece. It ran okay but it had so many trim and fit&finish problems it was ridiculous.[/quote]
Well, here’s the deal.
You want reliability, get something Korean/Japanese.
You want something fun to drive, get something european.
And that is where the problem is. Where do american cars stand? I’m not calling everything “crap”. But a good deal of the cars are “crap” at least from the appeal perspective. Name one car from Chrysler (save Viper) that you would pay money to drive??? I can’t think of one.
Even the latest minivans (which this company invented) is less appealing imho than any of the foreign labels. Ever ride in a sebring? I can’t get over the poor workmanship and shoddy material and it’s not that much cheaper than your foreign import.February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348788CoronitaParticipant[quote=Borat]Just sold a 95 ford ranger with 140K miles. We had only a couple of minor problems in 14 years of ownership. In 2007 it had a sensor problem that was hard for the shop to fix, but once they did we were golden. Great truck, sad to see it go but we didn’t have room for it.
I had a 94 VW, now that thing was a piece. It ran okay but it had so many trim and fit&finish problems it was ridiculous.[/quote]
Well, here’s the deal.
You want reliability, get something Korean/Japanese.
You want something fun to drive, get something european.
And that is where the problem is. Where do american cars stand? I’m not calling everything “crap”. But a good deal of the cars are “crap” at least from the appeal perspective. Name one car from Chrysler (save Viper) that you would pay money to drive??? I can’t think of one.
Even the latest minivans (which this company invented) is less appealing imho than any of the foreign labels. Ever ride in a sebring? I can’t get over the poor workmanship and shoddy material and it’s not that much cheaper than your foreign import.February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348820CoronitaParticipant[quote=Borat]Just sold a 95 ford ranger with 140K miles. We had only a couple of minor problems in 14 years of ownership. In 2007 it had a sensor problem that was hard for the shop to fix, but once they did we were golden. Great truck, sad to see it go but we didn’t have room for it.
I had a 94 VW, now that thing was a piece. It ran okay but it had so many trim and fit&finish problems it was ridiculous.[/quote]
Well, here’s the deal.
You want reliability, get something Korean/Japanese.
You want something fun to drive, get something european.
And that is where the problem is. Where do american cars stand? I’m not calling everything “crap”. But a good deal of the cars are “crap” at least from the appeal perspective. Name one car from Chrysler (save Viper) that you would pay money to drive??? I can’t think of one.
Even the latest minivans (which this company invented) is less appealing imho than any of the foreign labels. Ever ride in a sebring? I can’t get over the poor workmanship and shoddy material and it’s not that much cheaper than your foreign import.February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348921CoronitaParticipant[quote=Borat]Just sold a 95 ford ranger with 140K miles. We had only a couple of minor problems in 14 years of ownership. In 2007 it had a sensor problem that was hard for the shop to fix, but once they did we were golden. Great truck, sad to see it go but we didn’t have room for it.
I had a 94 VW, now that thing was a piece. It ran okay but it had so many trim and fit&finish problems it was ridiculous.[/quote]
Well, here’s the deal.
You want reliability, get something Korean/Japanese.
You want something fun to drive, get something european.
And that is where the problem is. Where do american cars stand? I’m not calling everything “crap”. But a good deal of the cars are “crap” at least from the appeal perspective. Name one car from Chrysler (save Viper) that you would pay money to drive??? I can’t think of one.
Even the latest minivans (which this company invented) is less appealing imho than any of the foreign labels. Ever ride in a sebring? I can’t get over the poor workmanship and shoddy material and it’s not that much cheaper than your foreign import.February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348357Rt.66
ParticipantThe Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348674ParticipantThe Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348793ParticipantThe Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348825ParticipantThe Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM #348926ParticipantThe Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
February 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM #348367CoronitaParticipant[quote=Scarlet]The Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
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What trade charity? How about building better products? Oh my…I never understood this. Folks that on one hand talk about curbing imports, and then on the other hand go to walmart and buy everything import. And no, I don’t consider folks “not having a choice”. The choice can be simple. Curb unecessary spending….The problem is is as much with american consumers as from commerce itself. Americans demanded getting more by paying less, and that’s exactly what happened.
Folks dug their own grave.February 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM #348684CoronitaParticipant[quote=Scarlet]The Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
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What trade charity? How about building better products? Oh my…I never understood this. Folks that on one hand talk about curbing imports, and then on the other hand go to walmart and buy everything import. And no, I don’t consider folks “not having a choice”. The choice can be simple. Curb unecessary spending….The problem is is as much with american consumers as from commerce itself. Americans demanded getting more by paying less, and that’s exactly what happened.
Folks dug their own grave.February 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM #348803CoronitaParticipant[quote=Scarlet]The Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
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What trade charity? How about building better products? Oh my…I never understood this. Folks that on one hand talk about curbing imports, and then on the other hand go to walmart and buy everything import. And no, I don’t consider folks “not having a choice”. The choice can be simple. Curb unecessary spending….The problem is is as much with american consumers as from commerce itself. Americans demanded getting more by paying less, and that’s exactly what happened.
Folks dug their own grave.February 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM #348835CoronitaParticipant[quote=Scarlet]The Government is afraid of setting off an international chain event of protectionism.
In economic depressions protectionism always comes up. I for one think its about time. We have been giving the world “trade charity” for decades and we simply can’t afford it anymore. Both in the costs to our national debt and the costs to our job base.
Toss a $4k per imported car tarrif up and see if GM and Ford don’t get better. That is the idea right? For them to get better and be able to start hiring again? And certainly make that tax deduction US built cars only!
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What trade charity? How about building better products? Oh my…I never understood this. Folks that on one hand talk about curbing imports, and then on the other hand go to walmart and buy everything import. And no, I don’t consider folks “not having a choice”. The choice can be simple. Curb unecessary spending….The problem is is as much with american consumers as from commerce itself. Americans demanded getting more by paying less, and that’s exactly what happened.
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