OT – Burqa ban moves forward in France

[SK in CV]

I love this paragraph

[quote=UCGal]For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.[/quote]

With all the horrendous religious restrictions some countries place on their residents and visitors, I find it hard to get all worked up about this. Compared to strict theocracies, this is pretty minor. It seems a bit of an oddity, considering the lack of religion in France, or maybe not. Maybe it’s the anti-religion activists. A bit of anti-relgion theocracy. I don’t know enough about French politics to even have a clue.

If it was this country, I’d get worked up about it.

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[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]

Spot on! Equal in humor and irony to the frivolity and banality of the matter.

A political storm in a double standard tea cup. The niqab, and burka are worn by few Muslim women, but they have morphed into the female equivalent of the terrorist balaclava, by media images and reinforced by the so-called “clash of civilizations”. Politicians merely pander to popular opinion in such (most) matters. There’s probably little more to it that.

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[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]

Spot on! Equal in humor and irony to the frivolity and banality of the matter.

A political storm in a double standard tea cup. The niqab, and burka are worn by few Muslim women, but they have morphed into the female equivalent of the terrorist balaclava, by media images and reinforced by the so-called “clash of civilizations”. Politicians merely pander to popular opinion in such (most) matters. There’s probably little more to it that.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]

Spot on! Equal in humor and irony to the frivolity and banality of the matter.

A political storm in a double standard tea cup. The niqab, and burka are worn by few Muslim women, but they have morphed into the female equivalent of the terrorist balaclava, by media images and reinforced by the so-called “clash of civilizations”. Politicians merely pander to popular opinion in such (most) matters. There’s probably little more to it that.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]

Spot on! Equal in humor and irony to the frivolity and banality of the matter.

A political storm in a double standard tea cup. The niqab, and burka are worn by few Muslim women, but they have morphed into the female equivalent of the terrorist balaclava, by media images and reinforced by the so-called “clash of civilizations”. Politicians merely pander to popular opinion in such (most) matters. There’s probably little more to it that.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]

Spot on! Equal in humor and irony to the frivolity and banality of the matter.

A political storm in a double standard tea cup. The niqab, and burka are worn by few Muslim women, but they have morphed into the female equivalent of the terrorist balaclava, by media images and reinforced by the so-called “clash of civilizations”. Politicians merely pander to popular opinion in such (most) matters. There’s probably little more to it that.

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[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]

Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5D

I would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.

I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.

[all]

[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]

Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5D

I would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.

I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.

[all]

[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]

Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5D

I would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.

I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.

[all]

[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]

Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5D

I would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.

I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.

[all]

[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]

Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5D

I would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.

I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.

[dbapig]

[quote=afx114][quote=dbapig]See what happens if Christians try to do the same for Christianity in Muslim nations…[/quote]

Right, because Christians would never go to a foreign nation and try to instill their beliefs on the natives.[/quote]

don’t think u got my point…

[dbapig]

[quote=afx114][quote=dbapig]See what happens if Christians try to do the same for Christianity in Muslim nations…[/quote]

Right, because Christians would never go to a foreign nation and try to instill their beliefs on the natives.[/quote]

don’t think u got my point…

[dbapig]

[quote=afx114][quote=dbapig]See what happens if Christians try to do the same for Christianity in Muslim nations…[/quote]

Right, because Christians would never go to a foreign nation and try to instill their beliefs on the natives.[/quote]

don’t think u got my point…

[dbapig]

[quote=afx114][quote=dbapig]See what happens if Christians try to do the same for Christianity in Muslim nations…[/quote]

Right, because Christians would never go to a foreign nation and try to instill their beliefs on the natives.[/quote]

don’t think u got my point…

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