OT – Burqa ban moves forward in France

[Hobie]

Good points were just made about reasons for the covers.

[svelte]

Guess I would be against the ban if I thought it was being made because they didn’t like the religion, but I truly think there is a public safety element to it.

If they want to wear burqas in private clubs and residences, fine. If they want to be in public where one must be held accountable for one’s actions, let’s see that face.

[svelte]

Guess I would be against the ban if I thought it was being made because they didn’t like the religion, but I truly think there is a public safety element to it.

If they want to wear burqas in private clubs and residences, fine. If they want to be in public where one must be held accountable for one’s actions, let’s see that face.

[svelte]

Guess I would be against the ban if I thought it was being made because they didn’t like the religion, but I truly think there is a public safety element to it.

If they want to wear burqas in private clubs and residences, fine. If they want to be in public where one must be held accountable for one’s actions, let’s see that face.

[svelte]

Guess I would be against the ban if I thought it was being made because they didn’t like the religion, but I truly think there is a public safety element to it.

If they want to wear burqas in private clubs and residences, fine. If they want to be in public where one must be held accountable for one’s actions, let’s see that face.

[svelte]

Guess I would be against the ban if I thought it was being made because they didn’t like the religion, but I truly think there is a public safety element to it.

If they want to wear burqas in private clubs and residences, fine. If they want to be in public where one must be held accountable for one’s actions, let’s see that face.

[UCGal]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]
LMAO!

My husband had an interesting situation when he was renting his house out (when he moved in with me, a month before our wedding.) The couple was born and raised in Philadelphia and were practicing muslims. The woman wore a burqa in front of my husband. She took it off when it was just me in the room. She explained she chose to follow the more conservative methods of her religion, that a woman should not show her face to unmarried men. We continued to rent to them till 2002. She did NOT wear the burqa around him after we got married, because, I guess my husband was no longer a “threat”.

I felt very afraid for them after 9/11. She took the El to work in center city, (yes, wearing a burqa) and she did face some anti-muslim lash back. This was a very nice woman.

Back to the subject at hand… I heard that public schools in france banned ALL religious adornment several years ago. Burqa’s, Crucifixes, Stars of David. I had less of an issue with this because it was very consistent.

For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.

[UCGal]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]
LMAO!

My husband had an interesting situation when he was renting his house out (when he moved in with me, a month before our wedding.) The couple was born and raised in Philadelphia and were practicing muslims. The woman wore a burqa in front of my husband. She took it off when it was just me in the room. She explained she chose to follow the more conservative methods of her religion, that a woman should not show her face to unmarried men. We continued to rent to them till 2002. She did NOT wear the burqa around him after we got married, because, I guess my husband was no longer a “threat”.

I felt very afraid for them after 9/11. She took the El to work in center city, (yes, wearing a burqa) and she did face some anti-muslim lash back. This was a very nice woman.

Back to the subject at hand… I heard that public schools in france banned ALL religious adornment several years ago. Burqa’s, Crucifixes, Stars of David. I had less of an issue with this because it was very consistent.

For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.

[UCGal]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]
LMAO!

My husband had an interesting situation when he was renting his house out (when he moved in with me, a month before our wedding.) The couple was born and raised in Philadelphia and were practicing muslims. The woman wore a burqa in front of my husband. She took it off when it was just me in the room. She explained she chose to follow the more conservative methods of her religion, that a woman should not show her face to unmarried men. We continued to rent to them till 2002. She did NOT wear the burqa around him after we got married, because, I guess my husband was no longer a “threat”.

I felt very afraid for them after 9/11. She took the El to work in center city, (yes, wearing a burqa) and she did face some anti-muslim lash back. This was a very nice woman.

Back to the subject at hand… I heard that public schools in france banned ALL religious adornment several years ago. Burqa’s, Crucifixes, Stars of David. I had less of an issue with this because it was very consistent.

For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.

[UCGal]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]
LMAO!

My husband had an interesting situation when he was renting his house out (when he moved in with me, a month before our wedding.) The couple was born and raised in Philadelphia and were practicing muslims. The woman wore a burqa in front of my husband. She took it off when it was just me in the room. She explained she chose to follow the more conservative methods of her religion, that a woman should not show her face to unmarried men. We continued to rent to them till 2002. She did NOT wear the burqa around him after we got married, because, I guess my husband was no longer a “threat”.

I felt very afraid for them after 9/11. She took the El to work in center city, (yes, wearing a burqa) and she did face some anti-muslim lash back. This was a very nice woman.

Back to the subject at hand… I heard that public schools in france banned ALL religious adornment several years ago. Burqa’s, Crucifixes, Stars of David. I had less of an issue with this because it was very consistent.

For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.

[UCGal]

[quote=CONCHO]I believe that my experience living as a middle-class US citizen has given me the insight to decide what is right and wrong for other people. I think women shouldn’t have to wear funny, loose-fitting ghost outfits that cover most of their bodies. That would be objectifying them. Instead, they should be liberated and wear minimal, revealing clothing and tattoos showing how liberated they are. Body piercings are nice as well. Such liberated, tattooed, minimally-clothed women are thus freed from being objects and can express their freedom to rub themselves on me without fear of reprisal from an oppressive, sexist system.

Unless they are fat of course, and then they should be forced to cover up as much as possible.[/quote]
LMAO!

My husband had an interesting situation when he was renting his house out (when he moved in with me, a month before our wedding.) The couple was born and raised in Philadelphia and were practicing muslims. The woman wore a burqa in front of my husband. She took it off when it was just me in the room. She explained she chose to follow the more conservative methods of her religion, that a woman should not show her face to unmarried men. We continued to rent to them till 2002. She did NOT wear the burqa around him after we got married, because, I guess my husband was no longer a “threat”.

I felt very afraid for them after 9/11. She took the El to work in center city, (yes, wearing a burqa) and she did face some anti-muslim lash back. This was a very nice woman.

Back to the subject at hand… I heard that public schools in france banned ALL religious adornment several years ago. Burqa’s, Crucifixes, Stars of David. I had less of an issue with this because it was very consistent.

For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.

[SK in CV]

I love this paragraph

[quote=UCGal]For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.[/quote]

With all the horrendous religious restrictions some countries place on their residents and visitors, I find it hard to get all worked up about this. Compared to strict theocracies, this is pretty minor. It seems a bit of an oddity, considering the lack of religion in France, or maybe not. Maybe it’s the anti-religion activists. A bit of anti-relgion theocracy. I don’t know enough about French politics to even have a clue.

If it was this country, I’d get worked up about it.

[SK in CV]

I love this paragraph

[quote=UCGal]For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.[/quote]

With all the horrendous religious restrictions some countries place on their residents and visitors, I find it hard to get all worked up about this. Compared to strict theocracies, this is pretty minor. It seems a bit of an oddity, considering the lack of religion in France, or maybe not. Maybe it’s the anti-religion activists. A bit of anti-relgion theocracy. I don’t know enough about French politics to even have a clue.

If it was this country, I’d get worked up about it.

[SK in CV]

I love this paragraph

[quote=UCGal]For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.[/quote]

With all the horrendous religious restrictions some countries place on their residents and visitors, I find it hard to get all worked up about this. Compared to strict theocracies, this is pretty minor. It seems a bit of an oddity, considering the lack of religion in France, or maybe not. Maybe it’s the anti-religion activists. A bit of anti-relgion theocracy. I don’t know enough about French politics to even have a clue.

If it was this country, I’d get worked up about it.

[SK in CV]

I love this paragraph

[quote=UCGal]For the comments about visitors to other countries having to follow the religious laws of that country… Yes, if those countries are theocracies. Visiting another country is a choice. We live in a country that has a secular government, specifically allowing freedom or religion. That is one of the things that truly makes this country great. No imposition of a specific religion, no ban of a religion.[/quote]

With all the horrendous religious restrictions some countries place on their residents and visitors, I find it hard to get all worked up about this. Compared to strict theocracies, this is pretty minor. It seems a bit of an oddity, considering the lack of religion in France, or maybe not. Maybe it’s the anti-religion activists. A bit of anti-relgion theocracy. I don’t know enough about French politics to even have a clue.

If it was this country, I’d get worked up about it.

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