OT – Burqa ban moves forward in France

[Hobie]

[quote=afx114]Right, because Christians would never go to a foreign nation and try to instill their beliefs on the natives.[/quote]

When I say the term, “Religion of Peace”, what religion(s) best exemplifies this concept? QED.

[ucodegen]

I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

Interesting part of the burqa, is that it makes a woman into an object.. the ‘blue covered thing’ walking about. No individuality on the part of the woman. In most cases, it is forced upon the woman by the man in society. So why would a man do that?

It allows the husband to beat the wife, without the relatives (particularly male relatives of the wife) knowing that he did that. It allows the husband to maim the wife, without the relatives, or authorities finding out. It allows child brides because the wife is concealed.. you will not know who she is, her condition nor her age. It effectively removes the voice of the wife, because in order to protest what has been done to her and prove it, she has to remove the burqa. This act is only permitted by the husband (in strict Islamic societies)

The burqa also allows males to hide and pose as women, as well as concealing weapons – much better than baggy pants:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/alqaeda-man-wearing-burqa-detained-in-pak/125049-2.html?from=RHS
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1859310.stm
http://www.rickross.com/reference/smart/smart11.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1058999,00.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/02/02/afghanistan-suicide-bomb.html

On other weird Islamic stories:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm

[ucodegen]

I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

Interesting part of the burqa, is that it makes a woman into an object.. the ‘blue covered thing’ walking about. No individuality on the part of the woman. In most cases, it is forced upon the woman by the man in society. So why would a man do that?

It allows the husband to beat the wife, without the relatives (particularly male relatives of the wife) knowing that he did that. It allows the husband to maim the wife, without the relatives, or authorities finding out. It allows child brides because the wife is concealed.. you will not know who she is, her condition nor her age. It effectively removes the voice of the wife, because in order to protest what has been done to her and prove it, she has to remove the burqa. This act is only permitted by the husband (in strict Islamic societies)

The burqa also allows males to hide and pose as women, as well as concealing weapons – much better than baggy pants:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/alqaeda-man-wearing-burqa-detained-in-pak/125049-2.html?from=RHS
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1859310.stm
http://www.rickross.com/reference/smart/smart11.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1058999,00.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/02/02/afghanistan-suicide-bomb.html

On other weird Islamic stories:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm

[ucodegen]

I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

Interesting part of the burqa, is that it makes a woman into an object.. the ‘blue covered thing’ walking about. No individuality on the part of the woman. In most cases, it is forced upon the woman by the man in society. So why would a man do that?

It allows the husband to beat the wife, without the relatives (particularly male relatives of the wife) knowing that he did that. It allows the husband to maim the wife, without the relatives, or authorities finding out. It allows child brides because the wife is concealed.. you will not know who she is, her condition nor her age. It effectively removes the voice of the wife, because in order to protest what has been done to her and prove it, she has to remove the burqa. This act is only permitted by the husband (in strict Islamic societies)

The burqa also allows males to hide and pose as women, as well as concealing weapons – much better than baggy pants:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/alqaeda-man-wearing-burqa-detained-in-pak/125049-2.html?from=RHS
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1859310.stm
http://www.rickross.com/reference/smart/smart11.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1058999,00.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/02/02/afghanistan-suicide-bomb.html

On other weird Islamic stories:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm

[ucodegen]

I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

Interesting part of the burqa, is that it makes a woman into an object.. the ‘blue covered thing’ walking about. No individuality on the part of the woman. In most cases, it is forced upon the woman by the man in society. So why would a man do that?

It allows the husband to beat the wife, without the relatives (particularly male relatives of the wife) knowing that he did that. It allows the husband to maim the wife, without the relatives, or authorities finding out. It allows child brides because the wife is concealed.. you will not know who she is, her condition nor her age. It effectively removes the voice of the wife, because in order to protest what has been done to her and prove it, she has to remove the burqa. This act is only permitted by the husband (in strict Islamic societies)

The burqa also allows males to hide and pose as women, as well as concealing weapons – much better than baggy pants:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/alqaeda-man-wearing-burqa-detained-in-pak/125049-2.html?from=RHS
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1859310.stm
http://www.rickross.com/reference/smart/smart11.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1058999,00.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/02/02/afghanistan-suicide-bomb.html

On other weird Islamic stories:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm

[ucodegen]

I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

Interesting part of the burqa, is that it makes a woman into an object.. the ‘blue covered thing’ walking about. No individuality on the part of the woman. In most cases, it is forced upon the woman by the man in society. So why would a man do that?

It allows the husband to beat the wife, without the relatives (particularly male relatives of the wife) knowing that he did that. It allows the husband to maim the wife, without the relatives, or authorities finding out. It allows child brides because the wife is concealed.. you will not know who she is, her condition nor her age. It effectively removes the voice of the wife, because in order to protest what has been done to her and prove it, she has to remove the burqa. This act is only permitted by the husband (in strict Islamic societies)

The burqa also allows males to hide and pose as women, as well as concealing weapons – much better than baggy pants:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/alqaeda-man-wearing-burqa-detained-in-pak/125049-2.html?from=RHS
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1859310.stm
http://www.rickross.com/reference/smart/smart11.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1058999,00.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/02/02/afghanistan-suicide-bomb.html

On other weird Islamic stories:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm

[afx114]

[quote=Hobie]When I say the term, “Religion of Peace”, what religion(s) best exemplifies this concept? QED.[/quote]

I would answer… I dunno… Buddhism? Certainly not Islam or Christianity. QEF

/end threadjack

[afx114]

[quote=Hobie]When I say the term, “Religion of Peace”, what religion(s) best exemplifies this concept? QED.[/quote]

I would answer… I dunno… Buddhism? Certainly not Islam or Christianity. QEF

/end threadjack

[afx114]

[quote=Hobie]When I say the term, “Religion of Peace”, what religion(s) best exemplifies this concept? QED.[/quote]

I would answer… I dunno… Buddhism? Certainly not Islam or Christianity. QEF

/end threadjack

[afx114]

[quote=Hobie]When I say the term, “Religion of Peace”, what religion(s) best exemplifies this concept? QED.[/quote]

I would answer… I dunno… Buddhism? Certainly not Islam or Christianity. QEF

/end threadjack

[afx114]

[quote=Hobie]When I say the term, “Religion of Peace”, what religion(s) best exemplifies this concept? QED.[/quote]

I would answer… I dunno… Buddhism? Certainly not Islam or Christianity. QEF

/end threadjack

[weberlin]

[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]

Excellent point.

If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.

However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.

There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”

“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”

Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.

The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.

Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.

[weberlin]

[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]

Excellent point.

If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.

However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.

There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”

“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”

Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.

The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.

Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.

[weberlin]

[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]

Excellent point.

If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.

However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.

There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”

“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”

Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.

The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.

Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.

[weberlin]

[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.

If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.

I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]

Excellent point.

If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.

However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.

There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”

“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”

Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.

The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.

Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.

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