Ignore Ron Paul are the new marching orders?

[CardiffBaseball]

Nor-LA-SD-GUY2 let me ask this, and I thought I asked it once but might have forgotten.

Let’s say I am going to purchase a house and I have a very stable job expected to last another 10 years (hypothetical for sure). Furthermore I need to extract some cash from 401k to cover some of costs. Let’s say my 401k is 100k and use a 50k loan to cover costs. Paying the loan back of course is after tax, and without getting into Amort tables, let’s just say I am paying back 50k at 4.5% for 6 years.

Technically I’ve borrowed money, that I must pay back with interest. A catastrophic firing, or losing my job in some way where I’d have to either pay it all back or take penalties, could happen but let’s say it doesn’t and in 6 years I’ve paid the loan off.

If the Fed is indeed basically an arm of the government as NON-conspiracy theorists would suggest, is the US Debt the same thing as the 401k loan? By the way too bad they couldn’t just kill Sallie Mae as a company and burn up the debt. Imagine the $$$ floating in the economy. Obviously there are actual investors involved in SM and you can’t do that, but damn I can dream once in a while.

[an]

[quote=jpinpb]Agreed. But they all have their stand on it and divide voters. If they are taking a position on it, I will make my decision based on it as well, as others will also. Good way to alienate and/or win votes.

But at this point, I honestly think they need to lay it to rest. We have universal healthcare. We have people w/money having medical surgery to enhance their body. Yet there are people still wanting to make it illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy, claiming there are no health issues that can arise to justify aborting. Beyond my comprehension.[/quote]
Maybe you should read the reason why he’s anti-abortion: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/.

Let me start off by saying, before I have kids, I was 100% pro choice and can’t understand why anyone would be pro life. What opened my eyes was going to the very first ultrasound and hearing the heart beat after 8 weeks. I now understand why many people are pro life. Although I’m still pro choice when it come to situation where the mother’s life is in danger, I’m now leaning toward pro life for your average abortion. The reason people are pro life is because they want to be the voice for those babies who are being killed.

Do you know Planned Parenthood don’t let the mother see the ultrasound screen and they turn off the volume? I know a NP who works there and she said if they let them see the screen and hear the heart beat, many would probably back out. I know I did when I saw the first ultrasound and hear the 1st heart beat. I still support Roe v Wade, but only for cases where it would kill the mother if the abortion wasn’t done. Ron Paul’s point is, Life > Liberty, which is why he’s against Roe v Wade.

My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.

[an]

[quote=jpinpb]Agreed. But they all have their stand on it and divide voters. If they are taking a position on it, I will make my decision based on it as well, as others will also. Good way to alienate and/or win votes.

But at this point, I honestly think they need to lay it to rest. We have universal healthcare. We have people w/money having medical surgery to enhance their body. Yet there are people still wanting to make it illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy, claiming there are no health issues that can arise to justify aborting. Beyond my comprehension.[/quote]
Maybe you should read the reason why he’s anti-abortion: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/.

Let me start off by saying, before I have kids, I was 100% pro choice and can’t understand why anyone would be pro life. What opened my eyes was going to the very first ultrasound and hearing the heart beat after 8 weeks. I now understand why many people are pro life. Although I’m still pro choice when it come to situation where the mother’s life is in danger, I’m now leaning toward pro life for your average abortion. The reason people are pro life is because they want to be the voice for those babies who are being killed.

Do you know Planned Parenthood don’t let the mother see the ultrasound screen and they turn off the volume? I know a NP who works there and she said if they let them see the screen and hear the heart beat, many would probably back out. I know I did when I saw the first ultrasound and hear the 1st heart beat. I still support Roe v Wade, but only for cases where it would kill the mother if the abortion wasn’t done. Ron Paul’s point is, Life > Liberty, which is why he’s against Roe v Wade.

My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.

[an]

[quote=jpinpb]Agreed. But they all have their stand on it and divide voters. If they are taking a position on it, I will make my decision based on it as well, as others will also. Good way to alienate and/or win votes.

But at this point, I honestly think they need to lay it to rest. We have universal healthcare. We have people w/money having medical surgery to enhance their body. Yet there are people still wanting to make it illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy, claiming there are no health issues that can arise to justify aborting. Beyond my comprehension.[/quote]
Maybe you should read the reason why he’s anti-abortion: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/.

Let me start off by saying, before I have kids, I was 100% pro choice and can’t understand why anyone would be pro life. What opened my eyes was going to the very first ultrasound and hearing the heart beat after 8 weeks. I now understand why many people are pro life. Although I’m still pro choice when it come to situation where the mother’s life is in danger, I’m now leaning toward pro life for your average abortion. The reason people are pro life is because they want to be the voice for those babies who are being killed.

Do you know Planned Parenthood don’t let the mother see the ultrasound screen and they turn off the volume? I know a NP who works there and she said if they let them see the screen and hear the heart beat, many would probably back out. I know I did when I saw the first ultrasound and hear the 1st heart beat. I still support Roe v Wade, but only for cases where it would kill the mother if the abortion wasn’t done. Ron Paul’s point is, Life > Liberty, which is why he’s against Roe v Wade.

My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.

[an]

[quote=jpinpb]Agreed. But they all have their stand on it and divide voters. If they are taking a position on it, I will make my decision based on it as well, as others will also. Good way to alienate and/or win votes.

But at this point, I honestly think they need to lay it to rest. We have universal healthcare. We have people w/money having medical surgery to enhance their body. Yet there are people still wanting to make it illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy, claiming there are no health issues that can arise to justify aborting. Beyond my comprehension.[/quote]
Maybe you should read the reason why he’s anti-abortion: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/.

Let me start off by saying, before I have kids, I was 100% pro choice and can’t understand why anyone would be pro life. What opened my eyes was going to the very first ultrasound and hearing the heart beat after 8 weeks. I now understand why many people are pro life. Although I’m still pro choice when it come to situation where the mother’s life is in danger, I’m now leaning toward pro life for your average abortion. The reason people are pro life is because they want to be the voice for those babies who are being killed.

Do you know Planned Parenthood don’t let the mother see the ultrasound screen and they turn off the volume? I know a NP who works there and she said if they let them see the screen and hear the heart beat, many would probably back out. I know I did when I saw the first ultrasound and hear the 1st heart beat. I still support Roe v Wade, but only for cases where it would kill the mother if the abortion wasn’t done. Ron Paul’s point is, Life > Liberty, which is why he’s against Roe v Wade.

My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.

[an]

[quote=jpinpb]Agreed. But they all have their stand on it and divide voters. If they are taking a position on it, I will make my decision based on it as well, as others will also. Good way to alienate and/or win votes.

But at this point, I honestly think they need to lay it to rest. We have universal healthcare. We have people w/money having medical surgery to enhance their body. Yet there are people still wanting to make it illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy, claiming there are no health issues that can arise to justify aborting. Beyond my comprehension.[/quote]
Maybe you should read the reason why he’s anti-abortion: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/.

Let me start off by saying, before I have kids, I was 100% pro choice and can’t understand why anyone would be pro life. What opened my eyes was going to the very first ultrasound and hearing the heart beat after 8 weeks. I now understand why many people are pro life. Although I’m still pro choice when it come to situation where the mother’s life is in danger, I’m now leaning toward pro life for your average abortion. The reason people are pro life is because they want to be the voice for those babies who are being killed.

Do you know Planned Parenthood don’t let the mother see the ultrasound screen and they turn off the volume? I know a NP who works there and she said if they let them see the screen and hear the heart beat, many would probably back out. I know I did when I saw the first ultrasound and hear the 1st heart beat. I still support Roe v Wade, but only for cases where it would kill the mother if the abortion wasn’t done. Ron Paul’s point is, Life > Liberty, which is why he’s against Roe v Wade.

My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.

[an]

Back to the original topic, Paul clobber Perry in Texas Poll: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/

[an]

Back to the original topic, Paul clobber Perry in Texas Poll: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/

[an]

Back to the original topic, Paul clobber Perry in Texas Poll: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/

[an]

Back to the original topic, Paul clobber Perry in Texas Poll: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/

[an]

Back to the original topic, Paul clobber Perry in Texas Poll: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/

[CA renter]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]You have to fix housing or wait for it to fix itself that is the only way you will get out of the current high unemployment problems (and no there are not too many houses at least not in socal).[/quote]
I don’t think housing will lead us out of this one. Functionally, housings biggest single cost item is land. Land is not produced in a factory nor does the sale of land create jobs. It does pay the ‘landed wealthy’ though when they can sell parts of parcels they own. The concentration needs to be on jobs, not saving Real Estate. Tweaking rates, mortgage terms etc to allow a how to sell at a higher price may help the one selling, but it doesn’t help the one buying.

I am going to add the following – because I just got through dealing with it. We are shipping too much of our labor overseas, and it really doesn’t pay off. Too many companies are looking at the raw labor cost not factoring in production rate and quality. The reason this came up: I had to deal with Oracle support (MOS). On one issue, I had to deal with support based in China. The experience was almost like “Who’s on First”. Fine if I was wanting entertainment, but I have to deal with a system with reduced functionality – needs to be fixed. Part of the discussion ended up with the support person repeating everything I had entered, but in the form of a question.[/quote]

Bingo!!!!!!

Well said, ucodegen.

[CA renter]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]You have to fix housing or wait for it to fix itself that is the only way you will get out of the current high unemployment problems (and no there are not too many houses at least not in socal).[/quote]
I don’t think housing will lead us out of this one. Functionally, housings biggest single cost item is land. Land is not produced in a factory nor does the sale of land create jobs. It does pay the ‘landed wealthy’ though when they can sell parts of parcels they own. The concentration needs to be on jobs, not saving Real Estate. Tweaking rates, mortgage terms etc to allow a how to sell at a higher price may help the one selling, but it doesn’t help the one buying.

I am going to add the following – because I just got through dealing with it. We are shipping too much of our labor overseas, and it really doesn’t pay off. Too many companies are looking at the raw labor cost not factoring in production rate and quality. The reason this came up: I had to deal with Oracle support (MOS). On one issue, I had to deal with support based in China. The experience was almost like “Who’s on First”. Fine if I was wanting entertainment, but I have to deal with a system with reduced functionality – needs to be fixed. Part of the discussion ended up with the support person repeating everything I had entered, but in the form of a question.[/quote]

Bingo!!!!!!

Well said, ucodegen.

[CA renter]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]You have to fix housing or wait for it to fix itself that is the only way you will get out of the current high unemployment problems (and no there are not too many houses at least not in socal).[/quote]
I don’t think housing will lead us out of this one. Functionally, housings biggest single cost item is land. Land is not produced in a factory nor does the sale of land create jobs. It does pay the ‘landed wealthy’ though when they can sell parts of parcels they own. The concentration needs to be on jobs, not saving Real Estate. Tweaking rates, mortgage terms etc to allow a how to sell at a higher price may help the one selling, but it doesn’t help the one buying.

I am going to add the following – because I just got through dealing with it. We are shipping too much of our labor overseas, and it really doesn’t pay off. Too many companies are looking at the raw labor cost not factoring in production rate and quality. The reason this came up: I had to deal with Oracle support (MOS). On one issue, I had to deal with support based in China. The experience was almost like “Who’s on First”. Fine if I was wanting entertainment, but I have to deal with a system with reduced functionality – needs to be fixed. Part of the discussion ended up with the support person repeating everything I had entered, but in the form of a question.[/quote]

Bingo!!!!!!

Well said, ucodegen.

[CA renter]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]You have to fix housing or wait for it to fix itself that is the only way you will get out of the current high unemployment problems (and no there are not too many houses at least not in socal).[/quote]
I don’t think housing will lead us out of this one. Functionally, housings biggest single cost item is land. Land is not produced in a factory nor does the sale of land create jobs. It does pay the ‘landed wealthy’ though when they can sell parts of parcels they own. The concentration needs to be on jobs, not saving Real Estate. Tweaking rates, mortgage terms etc to allow a how to sell at a higher price may help the one selling, but it doesn’t help the one buying.

I am going to add the following – because I just got through dealing with it. We are shipping too much of our labor overseas, and it really doesn’t pay off. Too many companies are looking at the raw labor cost not factoring in production rate and quality. The reason this came up: I had to deal with Oracle support (MOS). On one issue, I had to deal with support based in China. The experience was almost like “Who’s on First”. Fine if I was wanting entertainment, but I have to deal with a system with reduced functionality – needs to be fixed. Part of the discussion ended up with the support person repeating everything I had entered, but in the form of a question.[/quote]

Bingo!!!!!!

Well said, ucodegen.

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