Ignore Ron Paul are the new marching orders?

[CA renter]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=aldante]

From the transcript: BACKGROUND HOW WE GOT HERE!!!! (to your point)

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Seeing their market share decline as a result fo this change of demand, the GSEs made the decision to widen their focus from the safter prime loans and begin chasing the non-prime market, loosening long-standing underwiriting and risk managment standards along the way. This would be a fateful decision that not only proved disastrous for the companies themselves – but ultimately also for the American Taxpayer.

Once again….RP was right in what happened and you are trying some rhetorical tool to make your arguement.He never stated that the GSE’s caused the problem but that the passgae of the bill would add fuel to the fire of a false housing boom. Which is exactly what happened.[/quote]

You have to read that quote in historical context. It doesn’t say anywhere in there that the GSE’s were a significant party to the growth of the housing bubble or the cause of its crash. The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006, well after the peak. By that time, the crash had already begun. That was what he was referring to in the last sentence of the quoted piece. The GSE management decided it would be a good idea to both acquire subprime loans and became, by far, the biggest buyer of mortgage backed securities, something they had never done before. (Indeed, they have always issued MBS, but never before bought them.) That was the disasterous decision for both the shareholders of the GSE’s and the federal government, ergo, the taxpayers. That decision probably temporarily slowed the crash.

Paul was right in his prediction. He was dead wrong on how or why it was going to happen.[/quote]

I’ve always thought the GSEs were forced into taking on these riskier securities, precisely because the PTB in the financial-political sector already knew what was coming, and they were trying, even at that early stage, to transfer the risks and losses from the private market to the taxpayers. IMHO, it was never about the GSEs wanting to compete with the private market…they were made to do it to save the private market.

Anyone who was watching this idiocy over the long haul knew full well that the private market was what drove the credit bubble. The GSEs (and FHA, and various bailouts) were simply used as a dumping ground for most of the losses. The losses are mounting, even today.

In addition to the credit ratings agencies, the derivatives market is what allowed all the mispricing of risk to begin with, IMO. That’s why I think financial derivatives should be banned, or moved to a very transparent, highly regulated, and very small open exchange. The only reason for their existence is to hide the true price of risk and/or to speculate on the movement of securities. Either way, they pose risks that are too great, and increase the liklihood of systemic panics.

[CA renter]

[quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.

[CA renter]

[quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.

[CA renter]

[quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.

[CA renter]

[quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.

[CA renter]

[quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=CA renter][quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.[/quote]

YES now this leads to my theory that they (TPTB) knew exactly what they were doing.
Not that I am saying there was a hidden deal with the treasury at the time that said,
Hey banks !! were in a little pickle here, and need a distraction badly, let anyone borrow as much as they want and we will make sure you are paid back,
I mean I did not say that or anything like that..

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=CA renter][quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.[/quote]

YES now this leads to my theory that they (TPTB) knew exactly what they were doing.
Not that I am saying there was a hidden deal with the treasury at the time that said,
Hey banks !! were in a little pickle here, and need a distraction badly, let anyone borrow as much as they want and we will make sure you are paid back,
I mean I did not say that or anything like that..

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=CA renter][quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.[/quote]

YES now this leads to my theory that they (TPTB) knew exactly what they were doing.
Not that I am saying there was a hidden deal with the treasury at the time that said,
Hey banks !! were in a little pickle here, and need a distraction badly, let anyone borrow as much as they want and we will make sure you are paid back,
I mean I did not say that or anything like that..

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=CA renter][quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.[/quote]

YES now this leads to my theory that they (TPTB) knew exactly what they were doing.
Not that I am saying there was a hidden deal with the treasury at the time that said,
Hey banks !! were in a little pickle here, and need a distraction badly, let anyone borrow as much as they want and we will make sure you are paid back,
I mean I did not say that or anything like that..

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=CA renter][quote=curiousmind][quote=SK in CV] The GSE’s didn’t loosen their standards and get into the subprime market until late in 2006 By that time, the crash had already begun.[/quote]

HAHA![/quote]

SK is right.

The GSEs were actually shrinking their portfolios because of the accounting issues earlier in the decade. It wasn’t until everyone (in the right places) knew that the housing/credit market was going to collapse that the GSEs were told to expand their portfolios, buy up riskier securities, and increase loan limits.

Look it up.[/quote]

YES now this leads to my theory that they (TPTB) knew exactly what they were doing.
Not that I am saying there was a hidden deal with the treasury at the time that said,
Hey banks !! were in a little pickle here, and need a distraction badly, let anyone borrow as much as they want and we will make sure you are paid back,
I mean I did not say that or anything like that..

[Arraya]

[quote=aldante]Arraya,
Peter Schiff direction to invest in foreign countries has to do with the weak US dollar not the regime of that nation. At least that is my understanding. I think he says to invest internationally for the same reason that he says to invest in Gold and Silver. Weak US dollar keeps our manufacturing down and our consumption up. To have a stong economy you need jobs.
I do know that RP is a fan of Ludwig Von Mises and Hayak. These theories actually predict what happened in our economy becuase of the central planning of the federal reserve. I think that most people who look at Mises would have to admit it predicts far more reliably then Keynes.[/quote]

Well then, we can conclude that the “anti-state” ideological purity that they glibly proselytize is all bullshit, if that is the case. Because RP has been more than supportive of China’s rise in wealth as well – even with it’s massive state intervention to do so.

[Arraya]

[quote=aldante]Arraya,
Peter Schiff direction to invest in foreign countries has to do with the weak US dollar not the regime of that nation. At least that is my understanding. I think he says to invest internationally for the same reason that he says to invest in Gold and Silver. Weak US dollar keeps our manufacturing down and our consumption up. To have a stong economy you need jobs.
I do know that RP is a fan of Ludwig Von Mises and Hayak. These theories actually predict what happened in our economy becuase of the central planning of the federal reserve. I think that most people who look at Mises would have to admit it predicts far more reliably then Keynes.[/quote]

Well then, we can conclude that the “anti-state” ideological purity that they glibly proselytize is all bullshit, if that is the case. Because RP has been more than supportive of China’s rise in wealth as well – even with it’s massive state intervention to do so.

[Arraya]

[quote=aldante]Arraya,
Peter Schiff direction to invest in foreign countries has to do with the weak US dollar not the regime of that nation. At least that is my understanding. I think he says to invest internationally for the same reason that he says to invest in Gold and Silver. Weak US dollar keeps our manufacturing down and our consumption up. To have a stong economy you need jobs.
I do know that RP is a fan of Ludwig Von Mises and Hayak. These theories actually predict what happened in our economy becuase of the central planning of the federal reserve. I think that most people who look at Mises would have to admit it predicts far more reliably then Keynes.[/quote]

Well then, we can conclude that the “anti-state” ideological purity that they glibly proselytize is all bullshit, if that is the case. Because RP has been more than supportive of China’s rise in wealth as well – even with it’s massive state intervention to do so.

[Arraya]

[quote=aldante]Arraya,
Peter Schiff direction to invest in foreign countries has to do with the weak US dollar not the regime of that nation. At least that is my understanding. I think he says to invest internationally for the same reason that he says to invest in Gold and Silver. Weak US dollar keeps our manufacturing down and our consumption up. To have a stong economy you need jobs.
I do know that RP is a fan of Ludwig Von Mises and Hayak. These theories actually predict what happened in our economy becuase of the central planning of the federal reserve. I think that most people who look at Mises would have to admit it predicts far more reliably then Keynes.[/quote]

Well then, we can conclude that the “anti-state” ideological purity that they glibly proselytize is all bullshit, if that is the case. Because RP has been more than supportive of China’s rise in wealth as well – even with it’s massive state intervention to do so.

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