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August 17, 2011 at 2:39 AM #721434August 17, 2011 at 5:42 AM #720238NavydocParticipant
[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]
Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.
I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.
This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.
August 17, 2011 at 5:42 AM #720330NavydocParticipant[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]
Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.
I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.
This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.
August 17, 2011 at 5:42 AM #720929NavydocParticipant[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]
Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.
I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.
This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.
August 17, 2011 at 5:42 AM #721087NavydocParticipant[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]
Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.
I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.
This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.
August 17, 2011 at 5:42 AM #721449NavydocParticipant[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]
Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.
I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.
This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.
August 17, 2011 at 6:52 AM #720243The-ShovelerParticipantEven China uses inflation to it’s advantage when it needs to.
August 17, 2011 at 6:52 AM #720335The-ShovelerParticipantEven China uses inflation to it’s advantage when it needs to.
August 17, 2011 at 6:52 AM #720934The-ShovelerParticipantEven China uses inflation to it’s advantage when it needs to.
August 17, 2011 at 6:52 AM #721092The-ShovelerParticipantEven China uses inflation to it’s advantage when it needs to.
August 17, 2011 at 6:52 AM #721454The-ShovelerParticipantEven China uses inflation to it’s advantage when it needs to.
August 17, 2011 at 6:58 AM #720248The-ShovelerParticipantAlso I think I just saw that china want us to focus on our economy,
Maybe print money and create job’s ?
(really china is an expert at this)August 17, 2011 at 6:58 AM #720340The-ShovelerParticipantAlso I think I just saw that china want us to focus on our economy,
Maybe print money and create job’s ?
(really china is an expert at this)August 17, 2011 at 6:58 AM #720938The-ShovelerParticipantAlso I think I just saw that china want us to focus on our economy,
Maybe print money and create job’s ?
(really china is an expert at this)August 17, 2011 at 6:58 AM #721096The-ShovelerParticipantAlso I think I just saw that china want us to focus on our economy,
Maybe print money and create job’s ?
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