OT: New grad/profession/school pay….

[desmond]

The article is a “fluff piece”, yes engineering is a noble profession, but let’s not get all “geeky” about it:

http://motorcitytimes.com/mct/2010/07/even-recent-college-graduates-with-advanced-degrees-finding-a-tough-job-market/

My friends kid graduated in June from UCI with an engineering degree (not sure what type), he is back living at home looking for work.

[davelj]

If it can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. Eventually. And there will always be an analysis of the trade-offs between the quality of work, advantages related to the proximity of workers, etc.

There will always be plenty of engineering jobs here in the US, but… the more generic and outsourceable (I don’t think that’s a word) the work, the greater the likelihood that it eventually ends up overseas. The folks in India, China, etc. are just as smart, more motivated and much cheaper. It’s that simple.

Personally, unless I was really confident I was going to be a major engineering hotshot, I’d avoid most engineering tracks. It looks pretty risky to me.

Ironically – given our current mess – a good real estate agent will always be in demand. Although the commissions might get a little skinnier in the future.

[davelj]

If it can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. Eventually. And there will always be an analysis of the trade-offs between the quality of work, advantages related to the proximity of workers, etc.

There will always be plenty of engineering jobs here in the US, but… the more generic and outsourceable (I don’t think that’s a word) the work, the greater the likelihood that it eventually ends up overseas. The folks in India, China, etc. are just as smart, more motivated and much cheaper. It’s that simple.

Personally, unless I was really confident I was going to be a major engineering hotshot, I’d avoid most engineering tracks. It looks pretty risky to me.

Ironically – given our current mess – a good real estate agent will always be in demand. Although the commissions might get a little skinnier in the future.

[davelj]

If it can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. Eventually. And there will always be an analysis of the trade-offs between the quality of work, advantages related to the proximity of workers, etc.

There will always be plenty of engineering jobs here in the US, but… the more generic and outsourceable (I don’t think that’s a word) the work, the greater the likelihood that it eventually ends up overseas. The folks in India, China, etc. are just as smart, more motivated and much cheaper. It’s that simple.

Personally, unless I was really confident I was going to be a major engineering hotshot, I’d avoid most engineering tracks. It looks pretty risky to me.

Ironically – given our current mess – a good real estate agent will always be in demand. Although the commissions might get a little skinnier in the future.

[davelj]

If it can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. Eventually. And there will always be an analysis of the trade-offs between the quality of work, advantages related to the proximity of workers, etc.

There will always be plenty of engineering jobs here in the US, but… the more generic and outsourceable (I don’t think that’s a word) the work, the greater the likelihood that it eventually ends up overseas. The folks in India, China, etc. are just as smart, more motivated and much cheaper. It’s that simple.

Personally, unless I was really confident I was going to be a major engineering hotshot, I’d avoid most engineering tracks. It looks pretty risky to me.

Ironically – given our current mess – a good real estate agent will always be in demand. Although the commissions might get a little skinnier in the future.

[davelj]

If it can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. Eventually. And there will always be an analysis of the trade-offs between the quality of work, advantages related to the proximity of workers, etc.

There will always be plenty of engineering jobs here in the US, but… the more generic and outsourceable (I don’t think that’s a word) the work, the greater the likelihood that it eventually ends up overseas. The folks in India, China, etc. are just as smart, more motivated and much cheaper. It’s that simple.

Personally, unless I was really confident I was going to be a major engineering hotshot, I’d avoid most engineering tracks. It looks pretty risky to me.

Ironically – given our current mess – a good real estate agent will always be in demand. Although the commissions might get a little skinnier in the future.

[SD Transplant]

http://timiacono.com/index.php/2010/07/23/grossly-overpaid-california-officials-resign/

All you need to do is be a City Manager in a small California community (eg. Bell).

BELL, Calif. — Three administrators whose huge salaries have sparked outrage in this small blue-collar suburb of Los Angeles have agreed to resign.

City Council members emerged from an hours-long closed session at midnight Friday and announced that they’d accepted the resignations of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia and Police Chief Randy Adams.

Rizzo was the highest paid at $787,637 a year — nearly twice the pay of President Barack Obama — for overseeing one of the poorest towns in Los Angeles County.

Spaccia makes $376,288 a year and Adams earns $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck.
…
The decision was announced at midnight to a crowd of angry Bell residents who anxiously had been waiting since the City Council began its meeting at 4:30 p.m. None of the administrators attended the session, according to the Times.

[SD Transplant]

http://timiacono.com/index.php/2010/07/23/grossly-overpaid-california-officials-resign/

All you need to do is be a City Manager in a small California community (eg. Bell).

BELL, Calif. — Three administrators whose huge salaries have sparked outrage in this small blue-collar suburb of Los Angeles have agreed to resign.

City Council members emerged from an hours-long closed session at midnight Friday and announced that they’d accepted the resignations of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia and Police Chief Randy Adams.

Rizzo was the highest paid at $787,637 a year — nearly twice the pay of President Barack Obama — for overseeing one of the poorest towns in Los Angeles County.

Spaccia makes $376,288 a year and Adams earns $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck.
…
The decision was announced at midnight to a crowd of angry Bell residents who anxiously had been waiting since the City Council began its meeting at 4:30 p.m. None of the administrators attended the session, according to the Times.

[SD Transplant]

http://timiacono.com/index.php/2010/07/23/grossly-overpaid-california-officials-resign/

All you need to do is be a City Manager in a small California community (eg. Bell).

BELL, Calif. — Three administrators whose huge salaries have sparked outrage in this small blue-collar suburb of Los Angeles have agreed to resign.

City Council members emerged from an hours-long closed session at midnight Friday and announced that they’d accepted the resignations of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia and Police Chief Randy Adams.

Rizzo was the highest paid at $787,637 a year — nearly twice the pay of President Barack Obama — for overseeing one of the poorest towns in Los Angeles County.

Spaccia makes $376,288 a year and Adams earns $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck.
…
The decision was announced at midnight to a crowd of angry Bell residents who anxiously had been waiting since the City Council began its meeting at 4:30 p.m. None of the administrators attended the session, according to the Times.

[SD Transplant]

http://timiacono.com/index.php/2010/07/23/grossly-overpaid-california-officials-resign/

All you need to do is be a City Manager in a small California community (eg. Bell).

BELL, Calif. — Three administrators whose huge salaries have sparked outrage in this small blue-collar suburb of Los Angeles have agreed to resign.

City Council members emerged from an hours-long closed session at midnight Friday and announced that they’d accepted the resignations of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia and Police Chief Randy Adams.

Rizzo was the highest paid at $787,637 a year — nearly twice the pay of President Barack Obama — for overseeing one of the poorest towns in Los Angeles County.

Spaccia makes $376,288 a year and Adams earns $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck.
…
The decision was announced at midnight to a crowd of angry Bell residents who anxiously had been waiting since the City Council began its meeting at 4:30 p.m. None of the administrators attended the session, according to the Times.

[SD Transplant]

http://timiacono.com/index.php/2010/07/23/grossly-overpaid-california-officials-resign/

All you need to do is be a City Manager in a small California community (eg. Bell).

BELL, Calif. — Three administrators whose huge salaries have sparked outrage in this small blue-collar suburb of Los Angeles have agreed to resign.

City Council members emerged from an hours-long closed session at midnight Friday and announced that they’d accepted the resignations of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia and Police Chief Randy Adams.

Rizzo was the highest paid at $787,637 a year — nearly twice the pay of President Barack Obama — for overseeing one of the poorest towns in Los Angeles County.

Spaccia makes $376,288 a year and Adams earns $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck.
…
The decision was announced at midnight to a crowd of angry Bell residents who anxiously had been waiting since the City Council began its meeting at 4:30 p.m. None of the administrators attended the session, according to the Times.

[davelj]

The sad part is that this is going on – albeit on a more modest, less obvious scale – in almost every city in the nation. It’s the same process. City employee unions support election of City Council members; Council sets pay of senior city employees; senior city employees support pay of City Council; these politicians all set the pay and benefits of the unionized city employees; rinse and repeat. The taxpayers get screwed until they just stop taking it.

[davelj]

The sad part is that this is going on – albeit on a more modest, less obvious scale – in almost every city in the nation. It’s the same process. City employee unions support election of City Council members; Council sets pay of senior city employees; senior city employees support pay of City Council; these politicians all set the pay and benefits of the unionized city employees; rinse and repeat. The taxpayers get screwed until they just stop taking it.

[davelj]

The sad part is that this is going on – albeit on a more modest, less obvious scale – in almost every city in the nation. It’s the same process. City employee unions support election of City Council members; Council sets pay of senior city employees; senior city employees support pay of City Council; these politicians all set the pay and benefits of the unionized city employees; rinse and repeat. The taxpayers get screwed until they just stop taking it.

[davelj]

The sad part is that this is going on – albeit on a more modest, less obvious scale – in almost every city in the nation. It’s the same process. City employee unions support election of City Council members; Council sets pay of senior city employees; senior city employees support pay of City Council; these politicians all set the pay and benefits of the unionized city employees; rinse and repeat. The taxpayers get screwed until they just stop taking it.

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