OT: New grad/profession/school pay….

[EconProf]

That’s a great piece by Ruben Navarrette from the U-T, who often shows uncommon wisdom in his opinion pieces.
At the risk of offending many parents and their boomerang offspring, I suggest that sheltering their mid-twenties something children at home is doing them a great disservice. Yes it is a great money-saver, but it enables the returnee to be ultra-picky about the job they will accept, avoid the tough choices about living on their own, and dodge the trial and error stumbles that make someone an adult.
It is by falling on our face a few times that we finally take pride in succeeding. When parents, especially mothers, do too much for their kids, they are robbing them of accomplishing success in the face of adversity. Many commentators on this thread have cited the obstacles they have overcome, and done so with obvious pride. Kids need to take prudent risks, be adventuresome, and carve out their own future.
I suggest the new college graduate be given a time limit to stay with the parents, say two months rent free, then market rent for six months for that spare bedroom and no more free food. Oh, and don’t even think about overnight guests!

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I’m now of the mind that young people just starting out should endeavor to train in occupations that cannot be outsourced (where a human must be present and local to perform the job).[/quote]

…and that would be????

As I think everyone has been pointing out, theoretically almost everything can be outsourced, if you believe that outsourcing is a credible threat…

Perhaps, folks have said “Sales”… But let’s be realistic there too

1)Most people aren’t going to cut it in Sales.
2)Outsourcing is going on in Sales, but not the way you think…See, if no business is here in the U.S…the selling is in Asia(India/China/Korea/etc)…No need to hire U.S. salesmen who can’t speak the language, don’t understand the customs, and don’t have the connections/red tape…especially if the same sales folks overseas can be paid local wages….And that is exactly what is happening….

For that matter even mechanics can easily be outsourced across the border. Ship a bunch of cars cross the border have it repaired and ship them back…Again, fixing cars, or for that matter, most of labor isn’t exactly rocket science. And for really complicated stuff, that’s what automation and machinery is for.

Nursing? Well, there’s a glut of nurses too right now. And I think they’re getting their hours cut and getting layoff notices too..

Next?

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I’m now of the mind that young people just starting out should endeavor to train in occupations that cannot be outsourced (where a human must be present and local to perform the job).[/quote]

…and that would be????

As I think everyone has been pointing out, theoretically almost everything can be outsourced, if you believe that outsourcing is a credible threat…

Perhaps, folks have said “Sales”… But let’s be realistic there too

1)Most people aren’t going to cut it in Sales.
2)Outsourcing is going on in Sales, but not the way you think…See, if no business is here in the U.S…the selling is in Asia(India/China/Korea/etc)…No need to hire U.S. salesmen who can’t speak the language, don’t understand the customs, and don’t have the connections/red tape…especially if the same sales folks overseas can be paid local wages….And that is exactly what is happening….

For that matter even mechanics can easily be outsourced across the border. Ship a bunch of cars cross the border have it repaired and ship them back…Again, fixing cars, or for that matter, most of labor isn’t exactly rocket science. And for really complicated stuff, that’s what automation and machinery is for.

Nursing? Well, there’s a glut of nurses too right now. And I think they’re getting their hours cut and getting layoff notices too..

Next?

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I’m now of the mind that young people just starting out should endeavor to train in occupations that cannot be outsourced (where a human must be present and local to perform the job).[/quote]

…and that would be????

As I think everyone has been pointing out, theoretically almost everything can be outsourced, if you believe that outsourcing is a credible threat…

Perhaps, folks have said “Sales”… But let’s be realistic there too

1)Most people aren’t going to cut it in Sales.
2)Outsourcing is going on in Sales, but not the way you think…See, if no business is here in the U.S…the selling is in Asia(India/China/Korea/etc)…No need to hire U.S. salesmen who can’t speak the language, don’t understand the customs, and don’t have the connections/red tape…especially if the same sales folks overseas can be paid local wages….And that is exactly what is happening….

For that matter even mechanics can easily be outsourced across the border. Ship a bunch of cars cross the border have it repaired and ship them back…Again, fixing cars, or for that matter, most of labor isn’t exactly rocket science. And for really complicated stuff, that’s what automation and machinery is for.

Nursing? Well, there’s a glut of nurses too right now. And I think they’re getting their hours cut and getting layoff notices too..

Next?

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I’m now of the mind that young people just starting out should endeavor to train in occupations that cannot be outsourced (where a human must be present and local to perform the job).[/quote]

…and that would be????

As I think everyone has been pointing out, theoretically almost everything can be outsourced, if you believe that outsourcing is a credible threat…

Perhaps, folks have said “Sales”… But let’s be realistic there too

1)Most people aren’t going to cut it in Sales.
2)Outsourcing is going on in Sales, but not the way you think…See, if no business is here in the U.S…the selling is in Asia(India/China/Korea/etc)…No need to hire U.S. salesmen who can’t speak the language, don’t understand the customs, and don’t have the connections/red tape…especially if the same sales folks overseas can be paid local wages….And that is exactly what is happening….

For that matter even mechanics can easily be outsourced across the border. Ship a bunch of cars cross the border have it repaired and ship them back…Again, fixing cars, or for that matter, most of labor isn’t exactly rocket science. And for really complicated stuff, that’s what automation and machinery is for.

Nursing? Well, there’s a glut of nurses too right now. And I think they’re getting their hours cut and getting layoff notices too..

Next?

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I’m now of the mind that young people just starting out should endeavor to train in occupations that cannot be outsourced (where a human must be present and local to perform the job).[/quote]

…and that would be????

As I think everyone has been pointing out, theoretically almost everything can be outsourced, if you believe that outsourcing is a credible threat…

Perhaps, folks have said “Sales”… But let’s be realistic there too

1)Most people aren’t going to cut it in Sales.
2)Outsourcing is going on in Sales, but not the way you think…See, if no business is here in the U.S…the selling is in Asia(India/China/Korea/etc)…No need to hire U.S. salesmen who can’t speak the language, don’t understand the customs, and don’t have the connections/red tape…especially if the same sales folks overseas can be paid local wages….And that is exactly what is happening….

For that matter even mechanics can easily be outsourced across the border. Ship a bunch of cars cross the border have it repaired and ship them back…Again, fixing cars, or for that matter, most of labor isn’t exactly rocket science. And for really complicated stuff, that’s what automation and machinery is for.

Nursing? Well, there’s a glut of nurses too right now. And I think they’re getting their hours cut and getting layoff notices too..

Next?

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Arraya]
Agreed, late-stage capitalism is going to be ugly. But, abundance of cheap labor? It was feudalism for God’s sake! I do agree with ignorance part, which was public policy. We were burning scientists at the stake for going against religion, kind of like we do today with environmental scientists.[/quote]

It was the medieval warm period and cereal crops were the staple. Labor was “cheap” as in expendable. It was expendable because the feudal system was supportable by the cereal crops coupled with no birth control insured ample, expendable labor.

As for the burning environmental scientest, it’s the opposite. Anybody going against the ivory tower orthodox is shredded.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Arraya]
Agreed, late-stage capitalism is going to be ugly. But, abundance of cheap labor? It was feudalism for God’s sake! I do agree with ignorance part, which was public policy. We were burning scientists at the stake for going against religion, kind of like we do today with environmental scientists.[/quote]

It was the medieval warm period and cereal crops were the staple. Labor was “cheap” as in expendable. It was expendable because the feudal system was supportable by the cereal crops coupled with no birth control insured ample, expendable labor.

As for the burning environmental scientest, it’s the opposite. Anybody going against the ivory tower orthodox is shredded.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Arraya]
Agreed, late-stage capitalism is going to be ugly. But, abundance of cheap labor? It was feudalism for God’s sake! I do agree with ignorance part, which was public policy. We were burning scientists at the stake for going against religion, kind of like we do today with environmental scientists.[/quote]

It was the medieval warm period and cereal crops were the staple. Labor was “cheap” as in expendable. It was expendable because the feudal system was supportable by the cereal crops coupled with no birth control insured ample, expendable labor.

As for the burning environmental scientest, it’s the opposite. Anybody going against the ivory tower orthodox is shredded.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Arraya]
Agreed, late-stage capitalism is going to be ugly. But, abundance of cheap labor? It was feudalism for God’s sake! I do agree with ignorance part, which was public policy. We were burning scientists at the stake for going against religion, kind of like we do today with environmental scientists.[/quote]

It was the medieval warm period and cereal crops were the staple. Labor was “cheap” as in expendable. It was expendable because the feudal system was supportable by the cereal crops coupled with no birth control insured ample, expendable labor.

As for the burning environmental scientest, it’s the opposite. Anybody going against the ivory tower orthodox is shredded.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Arraya]
Agreed, late-stage capitalism is going to be ugly. But, abundance of cheap labor? It was feudalism for God’s sake! I do agree with ignorance part, which was public policy. We were burning scientists at the stake for going against religion, kind of like we do today with environmental scientists.[/quote]

It was the medieval warm period and cereal crops were the staple. Labor was “cheap” as in expendable. It was expendable because the feudal system was supportable by the cereal crops coupled with no birth control insured ample, expendable labor.

As for the burning environmental scientest, it’s the opposite. Anybody going against the ivory tower orthodox is shredded.

[Arraya]

Oh, good grief. If I was a graduate, I would be more concerned with the fact that the country is a train wreck in motion rather than running off to become a cog in some corporate wheel in a dwindling pool of cogs. Hopefully, they take some time to think about things other than the corporate state’s stamp upon their brain that, yes, they are superior because they can buy more things, and they can call other Americans stupid and lazy because they did not make the same choices they did. And we wonder where the selfish entitlement comes from. We find pride in the “fuck you, I got mine” mantra. A bunch of rats trying to find a dry spot in a sinking ship that blame the other rats in steerage for the ship sinking, IMO

The US of the second half of the 20th century is gone, never to return. There is no going back, it’s only a forward escape for the future generations. Hopefully they open up their eyes to the fact that whatever previous generations did led us to this point and they don’t continue down the same road.

[Arraya]

Oh, good grief. If I was a graduate, I would be more concerned with the fact that the country is a train wreck in motion rather than running off to become a cog in some corporate wheel in a dwindling pool of cogs. Hopefully, they take some time to think about things other than the corporate state’s stamp upon their brain that, yes, they are superior because they can buy more things, and they can call other Americans stupid and lazy because they did not make the same choices they did. And we wonder where the selfish entitlement comes from. We find pride in the “fuck you, I got mine” mantra. A bunch of rats trying to find a dry spot in a sinking ship that blame the other rats in steerage for the ship sinking, IMO

The US of the second half of the 20th century is gone, never to return. There is no going back, it’s only a forward escape for the future generations. Hopefully they open up their eyes to the fact that whatever previous generations did led us to this point and they don’t continue down the same road.

[Arraya]

Oh, good grief. If I was a graduate, I would be more concerned with the fact that the country is a train wreck in motion rather than running off to become a cog in some corporate wheel in a dwindling pool of cogs. Hopefully, they take some time to think about things other than the corporate state’s stamp upon their brain that, yes, they are superior because they can buy more things, and they can call other Americans stupid and lazy because they did not make the same choices they did. And we wonder where the selfish entitlement comes from. We find pride in the “fuck you, I got mine” mantra. A bunch of rats trying to find a dry spot in a sinking ship that blame the other rats in steerage for the ship sinking, IMO

The US of the second half of the 20th century is gone, never to return. There is no going back, it’s only a forward escape for the future generations. Hopefully they open up their eyes to the fact that whatever previous generations did led us to this point and they don’t continue down the same road.

[Arraya]

Oh, good grief. If I was a graduate, I would be more concerned with the fact that the country is a train wreck in motion rather than running off to become a cog in some corporate wheel in a dwindling pool of cogs. Hopefully, they take some time to think about things other than the corporate state’s stamp upon their brain that, yes, they are superior because they can buy more things, and they can call other Americans stupid and lazy because they did not make the same choices they did. And we wonder where the selfish entitlement comes from. We find pride in the “fuck you, I got mine” mantra. A bunch of rats trying to find a dry spot in a sinking ship that blame the other rats in steerage for the ship sinking, IMO

The US of the second half of the 20th century is gone, never to return. There is no going back, it’s only a forward escape for the future generations. Hopefully they open up their eyes to the fact that whatever previous generations did led us to this point and they don’t continue down the same road.

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