OT: New grad/profession/school pay….

[Coronita]

I love where this is going…

Dear kid(s),

You suck at everything .You’ll never be able to compete with everyone else…Go be a mechanic and fix things the rest of the world is capable of creating..or go clean some toilets, or if you’re lucky, live with mommy/daddy’s trust fund they left you..

Now I understand why it’s been difficult to fill some positions or for that matter why this country is more or less screwed. 🙂

A good portion from most of those engineering types from India and China BTW aren’t “hotshots” by any means..More like a “copycats”, which I’m sure folks in biz can verify.

[desmond]

Flu, not everybody wants, or can be an engineer. Some people are realistic that does not mean they are going to quit or be a loser cleaning toilets. Your an engineer, great, get over trying to promote it as the end all. As Judge Small says, the world needs ditch diggers.

[desmond]

Flu, not everybody wants, or can be an engineer. Some people are realistic that does not mean they are going to quit or be a loser cleaning toilets. Your an engineer, great, get over trying to promote it as the end all. As Judge Small says, the world needs ditch diggers.

[desmond]

Flu, not everybody wants, or can be an engineer. Some people are realistic that does not mean they are going to quit or be a loser cleaning toilets. Your an engineer, great, get over trying to promote it as the end all. As Judge Small says, the world needs ditch diggers.

[desmond]

Flu, not everybody wants, or can be an engineer. Some people are realistic that does not mean they are going to quit or be a loser cleaning toilets. Your an engineer, great, get over trying to promote it as the end all. As Judge Small says, the world needs ditch diggers.

[desmond]

Flu, not everybody wants, or can be an engineer. Some people are realistic that does not mean they are going to quit or be a loser cleaning toilets. Your an engineer, great, get over trying to promote it as the end all. As Judge Small says, the world needs ditch diggers.

[bearishgurl]

flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.

[bearishgurl]

flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.

[bearishgurl]

flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.

[bearishgurl]

flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.

[bearishgurl]

flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.[/quote]

Tell you what, BG, if you really think your kid or any kid you have influence over has a brighter future aligning wheels for a living, go for it. It seems like you’ve made up your mind.

I would counter to say that if someone like me who arguably is the worst mechanically inclined person out of all my friends (mind you I’m software engineer) that can take about most audi’s/vw’s and put them back together, what’s to prevent other folks from doing something like this and charging half of what sears does…If in doubt, consider this.

Go take your car into a traditional dealership or jiff-lube to get an oil change and tire rotation and ask them how much it costs…Probably around $20-25…Then take the same car to my el-cheapo guy. He’ll charge you $15 or less…Why? He gets the parts dirt cheap and he pays his workers peanuts, but he does them in high volume….Now…if you suddenly have a flood of mechanics graduated from vocational school, you really think the prospects for raw labor is going to be that great????

Furthermore, where is the potential for that guy who currently makes $15-20 rotating tires 10-15 years later beyond just rotating tires. Is his employer magically going to give him a raise just because he’s older, yet still rotating tires and essentially doing the same thing he/she was when he/she started? Mind you also that as he gets older, physically he isn’t going to be as fit as when he started…His employer will also notice that compared to some other guy just starting out who can do the same job of rotating tires…Where is the barrier to entry that prevents others from entering this vocational trade?
One probably cannot live of of the fruits labor as one gets older. So then what???Ah, depend on “investments”… Ah, but I think there was some argument made in the blog awhile ago about how earnings from investments should be taxed up the ying-yang, because it isn’t “real” money earned like from labor…..

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.[/quote]

Tell you what, BG, if you really think your kid or any kid you have influence over has a brighter future aligning wheels for a living, go for it. It seems like you’ve made up your mind.

I would counter to say that if someone like me who arguably is the worst mechanically inclined person out of all my friends (mind you I’m software engineer) that can take about most audi’s/vw’s and put them back together, what’s to prevent other folks from doing something like this and charging half of what sears does…If in doubt, consider this.

Go take your car into a traditional dealership or jiff-lube to get an oil change and tire rotation and ask them how much it costs…Probably around $20-25…Then take the same car to my el-cheapo guy. He’ll charge you $15 or less…Why? He gets the parts dirt cheap and he pays his workers peanuts, but he does them in high volume….Now…if you suddenly have a flood of mechanics graduated from vocational school, you really think the prospects for raw labor is going to be that great????

Furthermore, where is the potential for that guy who currently makes $15-20 rotating tires 10-15 years later beyond just rotating tires. Is his employer magically going to give him a raise just because he’s older, yet still rotating tires and essentially doing the same thing he/she was when he/she started? Mind you also that as he gets older, physically he isn’t going to be as fit as when he started…His employer will also notice that compared to some other guy just starting out who can do the same job of rotating tires…Where is the barrier to entry that prevents others from entering this vocational trade?
One probably cannot live of of the fruits labor as one gets older. So then what???Ah, depend on “investments”… Ah, but I think there was some argument made in the blog awhile ago about how earnings from investments should be taxed up the ying-yang, because it isn’t “real” money earned like from labor…..

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.[/quote]

Tell you what, BG, if you really think your kid or any kid you have influence over has a brighter future aligning wheels for a living, go for it. It seems like you’ve made up your mind.

I would counter to say that if someone like me who arguably is the worst mechanically inclined person out of all my friends (mind you I’m software engineer) that can take about most audi’s/vw’s and put them back together, what’s to prevent other folks from doing something like this and charging half of what sears does…If in doubt, consider this.

Go take your car into a traditional dealership or jiff-lube to get an oil change and tire rotation and ask them how much it costs…Probably around $20-25…Then take the same car to my el-cheapo guy. He’ll charge you $15 or less…Why? He gets the parts dirt cheap and he pays his workers peanuts, but he does them in high volume….Now…if you suddenly have a flood of mechanics graduated from vocational school, you really think the prospects for raw labor is going to be that great????

Furthermore, where is the potential for that guy who currently makes $15-20 rotating tires 10-15 years later beyond just rotating tires. Is his employer magically going to give him a raise just because he’s older, yet still rotating tires and essentially doing the same thing he/she was when he/she started? Mind you also that as he gets older, physically he isn’t going to be as fit as when he started…His employer will also notice that compared to some other guy just starting out who can do the same job of rotating tires…Where is the barrier to entry that prevents others from entering this vocational trade?
One probably cannot live of of the fruits labor as one gets older. So then what???Ah, depend on “investments”… Ah, but I think there was some argument made in the blog awhile ago about how earnings from investments should be taxed up the ying-yang, because it isn’t “real” money earned like from labor…..

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]flu, you’re not taking into account here the EXORBITANT costs of EDUCATING an “engineer” vs. what they can expect to make IF and WHEN they finally get hired. Please reread Econprof’s post and do an ROR for yourself on an engineer graduate in a dicey outsourcing job market vs. a student who graduated from a one-year CC ROP program at $26 per credit hour or $780 plus books (you can get them easily at this level “used” on craigslist) who graduates and gets an immediate job at the local Sears as an alignment tech starting at $25-$30 per hr + benefits.

I really don’t see what the current “draw” is for an advanced degree unless your father is a partner in a well-known law firm that is going to pick you up IMMEDIATELY after you pass the bar – so you can start right away making your $1000 mo. student-loan payments.

If the student obtaining a “professional” degree has no “connections” to get a job in a timely manner BEFORE their student loans become due and begin compounding, there is no guaranteed ROR, IMO.[/quote]

Tell you what, BG, if you really think your kid or any kid you have influence over has a brighter future aligning wheels for a living, go for it. It seems like you’ve made up your mind.

I would counter to say that if someone like me who arguably is the worst mechanically inclined person out of all my friends (mind you I’m software engineer) that can take about most audi’s/vw’s and put them back together, what’s to prevent other folks from doing something like this and charging half of what sears does…If in doubt, consider this.

Go take your car into a traditional dealership or jiff-lube to get an oil change and tire rotation and ask them how much it costs…Probably around $20-25…Then take the same car to my el-cheapo guy. He’ll charge you $15 or less…Why? He gets the parts dirt cheap and he pays his workers peanuts, but he does them in high volume….Now…if you suddenly have a flood of mechanics graduated from vocational school, you really think the prospects for raw labor is going to be that great????

Furthermore, where is the potential for that guy who currently makes $15-20 rotating tires 10-15 years later beyond just rotating tires. Is his employer magically going to give him a raise just because he’s older, yet still rotating tires and essentially doing the same thing he/she was when he/she started? Mind you also that as he gets older, physically he isn’t going to be as fit as when he started…His employer will also notice that compared to some other guy just starting out who can do the same job of rotating tires…Where is the barrier to entry that prevents others from entering this vocational trade?
One probably cannot live of of the fruits labor as one gets older. So then what???Ah, depend on “investments”… Ah, but I think there was some argument made in the blog awhile ago about how earnings from investments should be taxed up the ying-yang, because it isn’t “real” money earned like from labor…..

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