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October 5, 2013 at 8:43 AM #766331October 5, 2013 at 9:14 AM #766335
spdrun
ParticipantOK Corral, meet West Side Highway. West Side Highway, meet OK Corral. I’m sure you’ll hit it off with a BANG.
Everyone being armed doesn’t sound like a good answer here, though I suppose it may have diminished the likelihood of Mr. Lien being messed with in the first place. Or maybe not, since gang violence happens out West as well.
I wonder if they’d have played the same game with an old Bronco with NRA and HAMC stickers plastered on it, driven by a big goateed guy who looked like he could break bones by looking at them.
October 5, 2013 at 9:14 AM #766336ocrenter
ParticipantBiggest problem I’m seeing is how the NYPD was completely invisible throughout the entire affair. The video from the break check to the site where Lien was pulled out and beaten was over 6 minutes. There were zero NYPD within 5 minutes of what is a busy highway? They couldn’t anticipate where the bikers would be heading? They couldn’t get over to setup roadblock several exits ahead? Especially if Lien’s wife was on the phone with 911 during the chase.
The complete lawlessness of the whole affair in the middle of NYC just seem so bizarre.
October 5, 2013 at 9:19 AM #766337Participant[quote=spdrun]OK Corral, meet West Side Highway. West Side Highway, meet OK Corral. I’m sure you’ll hit it off with a BANG.
Everyone being armed doesn’t sound like a good answer here, though I suppose it may have diminished the likelihood of Mr. Lien being messed with in the first place. Or maybe not, since gang violence happens out West as well.
I wonder if they’d have played the same game with an old Bronco with NRA and HAMC stickers plastered on it, driven by a big goateed guy who looked like he could break bones by looking at them.[/quote]
A free for all with guns in this case would mean 30 guns vs 1 gun. A few of the 30 guns would probably be assault style weapons capable of spraying down the Rover.
October 5, 2013 at 9:19 AM #766338no_such_reality
Participant[quote=ocrenter]Biggest problem I’m seeing is how the NYPD was completely invisible throughout the entire affair. The video from the break check to the site where Lien was pulled out and beaten was over 6 minutes. There were zero NYPD within 5 minutes of what is a busy highway? They couldn’t anticipate where the bikers would be heading? They couldn’t get over to setup roadblock several exits ahead? Especially if Lien’s wife was on the phone with 911 during the chase.
The complete lawlessness of the whole affair in the middle of NYC just seem so bizarre.[/quote]
Chaching!
Did you hear that? That was Gloria cash register clocking up another major payday.
Why? Well, the PD was present. An off duty cop was part of the bike group, did nothing and failed to report the incident until Wednesday!
Chaching!
October 5, 2013 at 9:27 AM #766340ParticipantThe complete lawlessness of the whole affair in the middle of NYC just seem so bizarre.
In some ways, it makes me glad that the police aren’t all-seeing and all-knowing, even in Manhattan.
October 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM #766341joec
ParticipantThis is sorta why with stories and videos like this, people will and should I think feel that if the shit hits the fan, don’t expect much help from the Police or anyone else. In an emergency or a natural disaster.
I used to be a total anti-gun person, but maybe it’s the media reports or what not, but perfectly am ok with people having them and would consider it as well if not for kids.
This story after finding about it here is sorta pissing me off as well. What I DO find annoying are motorcycles or people also who think that just because they are on a bike or a pedestrian DEMAND the right of way.
Even when I walk around, I totally don’t expect cars will give me the right of way since there is no lack of wack jobs out there who will run you over for fun. I was driving in the bay area years ago and saw a crazy guy directly in front of me turn his steering wheel going 65+MPH and smashed into the center divide causing an accident. Almost got in an accident myself as well as I had to go into another lane with someone also there who moved to his further lane…
Just because you are on a motorcycle, don’t think for a second the driver you piss off isn’t MORE crazy than you and will have no problem running you over because they had a bad day or are depressed or are simply raging and pissed in general.
I admit I probably have road rage issues myself and am glad I don’t drive much and can see myself being the suv driver or the motorcycle crazed guys, but this went on too far and these motorcyclist need to stop these take over the street campaigns.
If a motorcycle is dumb enough to slam his breaks in front of you, woe to him/her if you forget to stop and run them over. They should do something to “ban” this type of motorcycle behavior.
October 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM #766342ParticipantA free for all with guns in this case would mean 30 guns vs 1 gun. A few of the 30 guns would probably be assault style weapons capable of spraying down the Rover.
AFAIK, full-auto guns are not legal in most states, are all but banned for sale on the Federal level, and are expensive to obtain.
October 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM #766343ParticipantIf a motorcycle is dumb enough to slam his breaks in front of you, woe to him/her if you forget to stop and run them over. They should do something to “ban” this type of motorcycle behavior.
Last I checked, deliberately causing a crash is already illegal. Vehicular assault.
Though the driver is lucky there were multiple cameras, since rear-enders are normally seen as the fault of the person in back.
October 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM #766344FlyerInHi
GuestThe guy who slammed his brakes is not the guy who was run over.
That’s why Gloria will likely get a big settlement.If Alexian is a business executive he should have good insurance. But wait… He’s Chinese, so maybe he just has the minimum (pardon the joke, flu).
October 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM #766348SK in CV
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]The guy who slammed his brakes is not the guy who was run over.
That’s why Gloria will likely get a big settlement.If Alexian is a business executive he should have good insurance. But wait… He’s Chinese, so maybe he just has the minimum (pardon the joke, flu).[/quote]
I doubt it. I know NY is not a pure contributory negligence state, but not sure what the case law is on comparative negligence. Was the driver of the SUV negligent in driving while surrounded by bikes and bikers? Maybe. Was the injured negligent in parking his bike in the middle of a freeway traffic lane, leaving his bike and walking down the middle of an active freeway traffic lane? I’m guessing any jury in the country would find the injured at least partially negligent with his own actions. In pure contributory negligent states (which NY is not), he wouldn’t get a penny. Most states use a modified comparative negligence, which varies a bit, but in most jurisdictions, if the plaintiffs negligence was at least as great as the defendant, the plaintiff doesn’t get a dime.
Given the overwhelming support given the SUV driver in unscientific polls over the last few weeks, I doubt Allred would ever take this to trial. If she gets a settlement out of it, its likely to be nothing more than a nuisance settlement.
October 5, 2013 at 10:33 AM #766353bobby
Participant[quote=spdrun]And if someone splits past you at 20-30 mph, guess what? You’re not a cop. Unless he’s pulling wheelies and riding like a squid, he’s probably just trying to get somewhere.[/quote]
we all are trying to get somewhere. Does that justify breaking the law?
also, someone is assaulting a child. guess what? You’re not a cop. does that mean the assault is not unlawful?
October 5, 2013 at 10:38 AM #766354ParticipantHere’s another fun one of the guy who is in the hospital possibly suing…yes, the guy with a 6 page rap sheet, the guy who has never had a motorcycle license and is suspended from being on the road till at least 2017:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5dsbv_NDhg
He should’ve never been on the road to begin with. Sorta like if I come and try to break into your house with a gun and beat you silly, then I slip, I be suing your ass…
What a great great country we live in. I really hope the judge or someone throws that case out and sticks all the court costs to the plantiff.
Someone posted this on the comments:
Boston Herald: The guy…”has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence DistrictCourtOctober 5, 2013 at 10:46 AM #766355Participantwe all are trying to get somewhere. Does that justify breaking the law?
Lane splitting like that mainly has a risk of hurting the biker. I really don’t think that laws to protect people from their own stupidity should exist or be well-enforced. (Especially if the biker’s insurance covers damages to cars around him.)
I certainly wouldn’t report such a biker to the cops. Nor would I report someone shooting drugs on my street — if people want to hurt themselves through their own asshattery, they should be allowed to do so.
October 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM #766356GuestThere is still a lot of investigating to be done.
The police did not charge one of the bikers who was pounding on the window of the SUV.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/us/new-york-bikers-attack-video/index.htmlThere were quite a few bikers. Some caused mischief, others could have been trying to help.
I was admonished to look at facts. At this point the headline “SUV driver is chased and beaten after running over motorcyclist”, while sensational, is more factual than any presumption of guilt or innocence.
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