OT: Justice for Alexian Lien: victim of mob beating…

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]
Never mind the fact that there are over 200 911 calls relating to this group blocking freeway on ramps, stopping traffic, etc. If they’re not troublemakers, then why do you think there are over 200 911 calls related to them? If you’re the young guy you’re describing, do you think there will be 200+ 911 calls against you?[/quote]

This one very group? Or similar groups in the same region?

I don’t really follow the story so I might be missing some information. I’m willing to be swayed one way or the other though[/quote]There are a lot of more info on the web. No point in regurgitating them here. If you’re interested, Google is your friend.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi]You’re presuming that these bikers are troublemakers like the other bike gangs you saw on tv. There are lots of presumptions and few facts only analysis.

Assume you’re a young guy riding peacefully with your buddies. An SUV comes along and swipes a rider and keeps on driving. Would all the other guys not want to stop the SUV?[/quote]
Never mind the fact that there are over 200 911 calls relating to this group blocking freeway on ramps, stopping traffic, etc. If they’re not troublemakers, then why do you think there are over 200 911 calls related to them? If you’re the young guy you’re describing, do you think there will be 200+ 911 calls against you?[/quote]

Well that’s the kicker.. There can be dozens of past facts that indicate that, but shit….Everyone is a victim of circumstance.. Because it’s not that people have failed themselves. Shit society has failed them.

See civil rights and people’s rights are extremely important.. If your black or hispanic and the prep is white… That’s why white people who said something 30 years ago or have done things 50 years ago still make a difference. And why white apologists continue to beat the “your a racist to a black/hispanic person” the tiny shred of time a white person slightly stumbles on the ultra-pc ness.. And shit if it’s white versus black, clearly the white person MUST be a racist… Bring in Al, bring in Sharpton, bring in PCness because shit, we all need to be fvcking sensitive to everyone’s feeling..And bring in Obama to weigh in about how XYZ could have been his son…

But hey, when the victim isn’t black the perp isn’t white. It’s a-okay…And shit, we even need to be sensitive to mobsters, gangbangers too, because they are victims too..

But hey, if it’s not a black person at the center of the crime, and if the other person isn’t white.. Well shit, then it’s not a hate crime. Liberal PCness and indoctrination doesn’t apply…

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]
fuck you.. [/quote]

Maybe that’s the attitude of the SUV driver as he met the group of bikers

So he’s surrounded by bikes… That’s how bikers feel about cars.[/quote]Does he car drivers brake check the bikes, then after the bike hit them, the other car drivers surround the biker, pound his bike with helmet and fist?

[FlyerInHi]

Flu, you’re a nutcase going on a rant about liberals and civil rights, etc..

We are trying to determine the facts here. Lots of presumptions, yes. But we are trying to understand the chain of events here. Nothing to do about race or politics.

[all]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
I don’t really follow the story so I might be missing some information. I’m willing to be swayed one way or the other though[/quote]

Then get more familiar with the story before you start arguing. There are videos from the same author made earlier that day. There are character references. There are witness statements. What else do you need?

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, you’re a nutcase going on a rant about liberals and civil rights, etc..

We are trying to determine the facts here. Lots of presumptions, yes. But we are trying to understand the chain of events here. Nothing to do about race or politics.[/quote]I’ve posted a link to the chain of event. If you don’t believe them, then feel free to Google the event. It’s all over the web and news right now, so there’s no shortage of info.

[an]

[quote=all][quote=FlyerInHi]
I don’t really follow the story so I might be missing some information. I’m willing to be swayed one way or the other though[/quote]

Then get more familiar with the story before you start arguing. There are videos from the same author made earlier that day. There are character references. There are witness statements. What else do you need?[/quote]+1

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]
fuck you.. [/quote]

Maybe that’s the attitude of the SUV driver as he met the group of bikers

So he’s surrounded by bikes… That’s how bikers feel about cars.[/quote]

Ok.I’ll play. Let’s pick apart this logic shall we? ..

Let’s assume Alex was an asshat..driving erratically.
And let’s assume he did cause the accident and hit someone…

Why would he voluntarily pull over if he didn’t give a shit..

And what business do you think a bunch of bikers have carrying spike strips and knives which they used to flatten the SUV’s tires while it was parked?

And if you’re in the SUV or car,a nd have a wife and kid in the car… and you have 30 people kicking and flatting your tires, brandishing knives and spike strips, what do you think would be going through your mind????Seriously? Are you seriously going to fvvcking taking your stupid liberal bullshit and think “gee, these people won’t hurt me, I’ll just sit on my candy ass in my SUV, and tell them please stop, or I’m calling the cops.” and sit on your candy ass waiting for the cops to show up (which took 20+mins btw…thanks to another fvcking liberal policy to cut funding to NYPD patrol because too many people were complaining about police “frisking them too much”)

Next, as adults, you when the SUV (Alex) leaves, you chase him for 20-30 minutes into the inner city… When he finally stops, you smash the front passenger window and rear passenger window and see a 2 year old and wife in the car (assuming you didn’t notice it already), and you still proceed to drag the man out of the car, and beat him silly in front of his wife and daughter..

And then you decide to take out a knife and cut up his face in front of his wife and his two year old daughter?

Keeping in mind that these people are adults in their late twenties, thirties, some with girlfriends/wives/kids..

Are you fvcking liberals still trying to come up excuses for why these pieces of shit deserve any sympathy or are somehow victims and turn the true victim (Alex) into a victimizer???

Really? Are you fvcking serious????

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, you’re a nutcase going on a rant about liberals and civil rights, etc..

We are trying to determine the facts here. Lots of presumptions, yes. But we are trying to understand the chain of events here. Nothing to do about race or politics.[/quote]

No, you’re presuming you know shit when you don’t. As you admited you haven’t read any of the shit yet…

That’s your problem. You ASSume you know it all already..

But seriously, it’s it really that hard for you to understand that there’s no possible justification for a mob of of people beating one man?

And point me to one thing that I said that is far fetched from reality.

Seriously.. Take alex and make him black. Do you really think the reaction would have been the same?
Are you *that* naive?

[all]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]
fuck you.. [/quote]

Maybe that’s the attitude of the SUV driver as he met the group of bikers

So he’s surrounded by bikes… That’s how bikers feel about cars.[/quote]

Fucking Asians driving their wives and kids in their expensive cars and attacking Jay Meezee’s of the world…

[Coronita]

[quote=all][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]
fuck you.. [/quote]

Maybe that’s the attitude of the SUV driver as he met the group of bikers

So he’s surrounded by bikes… That’s how bikers feel about cars.[/quote]

Fucking Asians driving their wives and kids in their expensive cars and attacking Jay Meezee’s of the world…[/quote]

Yeah, they are sure the victimizers… Jay was simply a reverend’s son on the way to his father’s church escrowed by 30+ other do-good churchgoers…

Jay’s father, actually is a Reverend… Which in itself is a joke.. What a fucking disgrace to the work of God.

[CDMA ENG]

Bikie?

Are you Australian?

CE

[SK in CV]

[quote=flu]
Are you fvcking liberals still trying to come up excuses for why these pieces of shit deserve any sympathy or are somehow victims and turn the true victim (Alex) into a victimizer???

Really? Are you fvcking serious????[/quote]

One more time, what makes this a liberal issue? I have no more than the vaguest of knowledge of what this case is about, but I do follow liberal politics pretty closely. I don’t have a clue who you think the good guys and the bad guys are. I haven’t seen anyone present either side of this case as the “liberal” side until you made it so. What is it you’re seeing that is causing you to label one side liberal? And which side is it?

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Because the facts show that he bumped into one of them. And he ran over one biker and didn’t stop as he should have.

Ignore the presumption that the bikers are part of a riding gang, or whatever. Explain the facts to determine guilt.[/quote]

Your fucking kidding right? Apparently you saw a video in which the man was not questioning whether is life was in danger.

Unbelievable. I hope you are never in that situation. I have. All you can think about is how your life is going to end very shortly and “fight or flight” instincts take over.

That is what happened here.

To say that the bikers were not the root cause of all this is simple immaturity.

CE

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]
Really? Are you fvcking serious????[/quote]

You’re lumping too many things together. One thing at a time please.

I don’t dispute that the hikers are trouble makers.

But still, they don’t beat up people unless they’re set off one way or another (road rage is endemic). I’m trying to understand the incident that caused them to pursue the SUV and make it stop. (Not explained in the chain of events AN posted)

I’m not defending the guy who did the beating. But he’s not the same guy who got run over. One event at a time please.

I don’t see this as a racial issue at all. It could have been a bunch of White Harley bikers for all I care.

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