OT: Justice for Alexian Lien: victim of mob beating…

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]
Really? Are you fvcking serious????[/quote]

You’re lumping too many things together. One thing at a time please.

I don’t dispute that the hikers are trouble makers.

But still, they don’t beat up people unless they’re set off one way or another (road rage is endemic). I’m trying to understand the incident that caused them to pursue the SUV and make it stop. (Not explained in the chain of events AN posted)

I’m not defending the guy who did the beating. But he’s not the same guy who got run over. One event at a time please.

I don’t see this as a racial issue at all. It could have been a bunch of White Harley bikers for all I care.[/quote]

You can start with this one.. Since you are just so off from reality…

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Someone posted this on facebook. His name is Marc Roffman:

As a trucker that would deliver in north jersey and New York I am familiar with these groups. I can hopefully clarify a few things. First the initial “accident” is part of a game they play. They ride in a huge group and will operate together to slow down traffic. Next they pick out high end vehicles targeting people with families in them, the targets will usually be white or Asian. Then one of the riders will do a “brake check” and stop suddenly in front of the target vehicle causing a minor bump. In some cases they will just roll back into their target vehicle. They will then mob the vehicle demanding money and or begin attacking the person inside. It is their practice to also slash the tires to prevent the vehicle from escaping. Truckers are well aware of them and are advised not to stop. You can clearly see in the video how they are well practiced in this style of attack. The police in NY have backed off them after an officer ran one down using his vehicle a few months back. The video was all over the net so I advise you to check it out. These “bikers” ride dirt bikes and sport bikes very few of which are street legal and even fewer have plates. They run red lights, stop signs, and have no regard for the law. If you are ever in this situation do not stop, immediately call the police and do whatever you have to to keep them from boxing you in. NEVER leave the scene of an accident if you are not under direct threat!!! Only run if you have no other choice, and again immediately call the police. This is not rare by any means, the only reason this incident got any attention is because of the helmet cam video being posted on the net. If you see anyone in this situation, call the police. Make no mistake confusing these punks with true bikers. You will rarely if ever see a member of these gangs on a Harley. Do not for a minute blame true bikers for this kind of behavior. Bikers like those involved in the 2 million Bikers to DC Rally are American Patriots and would be among the first to come to your aid. A final note, always be aware of motorcycles and share the road. Check your mirrors and don’t ride anyone’s bumper, motorcycles have a much smaller profile then a car and are harder to see

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=AN]Does he car drivers brake check the bikes, then after the bike hit them, the other car drivers surround the biker, pound his bike with helmet and fist?[/quote]

I had a traffic ticket in the past and i remember from my defensive driving class that you need to be far enough back from the vehicle in front of you so you can brake safely. It’s your own responsibility because the vehicle in front may brake suddenly.

I have been in cars where the driver get enraged and starts yelling because a biker splits traffic and zooms by. Guess what? The biker is allowed to do that.

[Coronita]

[quote=flu][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]
Really? Are you fvcking serious????[/quote]

You’re lumping too many things together. One thing at a time please.

I don’t dispute that the hikers are trouble makers.

But still, they don’t beat up people unless they’re set off one way or another (road rage is endemic). I’m trying to understand the incident that caused them to pursue the SUV and make it stop. (Not explained in the chain of events AN posted)

I’m not defending the guy who did the beating. But he’s not the same guy who got run over. One event at a time please.

I don’t see this as a racial issue at all. It could have been a bunch of White Harley bikers for all I care.[/quote]

You can start with this one.. Since you are just so off from reality…

—————————————–
Someone posted this on facebook. His name is Marc Roffman:

As a trucker that would deliver in north jersey and New York I am familiar with these groups. I can hopefully clarify a few things. First the initial “accident” is part of a game they play. They ride in a huge group and will operate together to slow down traffic. Next they pick out high end vehicles targeting people with families in them, the targets will usually be white or Asian. Then one of the riders will do a “brake check” and stop suddenly in front of the target vehicle causing a minor bump. In some cases they will just roll back into their target vehicle. They will then mob the vehicle demanding money and or begin attacking the person inside. It is their practice to also slash the tires to prevent the vehicle from escaping. Truckers are well aware of them and are advised not to stop. You can clearly see in the video how they are well practiced in this style of attack. The police in NY have backed off them after an officer ran one down using his vehicle a few months back. The video was all over the net so I advise you to check it out. These “bikers” ride dirt bikes and sport bikes very few of which are street legal and even fewer have plates. They run red lights, stop signs, and have no regard for the law. If you are ever in this situation do not stop, immediately call the police and do whatever you have to to keep them from boxing you in. NEVER leave the scene of an accident if you are not under direct threat!!! Only run if you have no other choice, and again immediately call the police. This is not rare by any means, the only reason this incident got any attention is because of the helmet cam video being posted on the net. If you see anyone in this situation, call the police. Make no mistake confusing these punks with true bikers. You will rarely if ever see a member of these gangs on a Harley. Do not for a minute blame true bikers for this kind of behavior. Bikers like those involved in the 2 million Bikers to DC Rally are American Patriots and would be among the first to come to your aid. A final note, always be aware of motorcycles and share the road. Check your mirrors and don’t ride anyone’s bumper, motorcycles have a much smaller profile then a car and are harder to see[/quote]

And then when your done with that, you can go to this… To thank your local politicians for this…

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-unions-weigh-stop-and-frisk-court-fight-article-1.1453243

NYPD sergeants union appeals stop-and-frisk verdict; several cop unions seek to intervene in case

HE UNION that represents NYPD sergeants took legal action Wednesday in the stop-and-frisk case in federal court, and the other NYPD unions vowed to follow suit.
The Sergeants Benevolent Association filed a notice to appeal the controversial decision handed down last month by a federal court judge who found aspects of the NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practice to be unconstitutional.
The city has already appealed the decision and on Wednesday asked the appellate court to expedite the appeals process, claiming it needs to be settled fast because the decision has clouded public perception of the NYPD and threatened to disrupt law enforcement work.
Due to the decision, “every officer who sees a black or Hispanic suspect acting suspiciously must confront the real possibility of being charged with intentional race discrimination if he takes proactive steps to detect or deter crime,” the city argued, addressing the appellate court.
“If the district court’s analysis is correct, this court should make a definitive statement to that effect as soon as possible, or refine it so that the city may benefit from its reasoned guidance in reforming its policing practice.”
The sergeants union, arguing that its members are the “front line” for public safety and handling street stops, also filed to intervene in the lawsuit, which was brought by black and Latino men who said they were racially profiled.
The move, if successful, would allow the union to help shape the stop-and-frisk reforms ordered by Manhattan Federal Court Judge Shira Scheindlin. The reforms are currently in limbo while the case is being appealed.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-unions-weigh-stop-and-frisk-court-fight-article-1.1453243#ixzz2gnJQ4yzF

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]Does he car drivers brake check the bikes, then after the bike hit them, the other car drivers surround the biker, pound his bike with helmet and fist?[/quote]

I had a traffic ticket in the past and i remember from my defensive driving class that you need to be far enough back from the vehicle in front of you so you can brake safely. It’s your own responsibility because the vehicle in front may brake suddenly.

I have been in cars where the driver get enraged and starts yelling because a biker splits traffic and zooms by. Guess what? The biker is allowed to do that.[/quote]FYI, brake check is ILLEGAL. yelling is not hitting and slashing your tires.

[Coronita]

[quote=flu][quote=flu][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]
Really? Are you fvcking serious????[/quote]

You’re lumping too many things together. One thing at a time please.

I don’t dispute that the hikers are trouble makers.

But still, they don’t beat up people unless they’re set off one way or another (road rage is endemic). I’m trying to understand the incident that caused them to pursue the SUV and make it stop. (Not explained in the chain of events AN posted)

I’m not defending the guy who did the beating. But he’s not the same guy who got run over. One event at a time please.

I don’t see this as a racial issue at all. It could have been a bunch of White Harley bikers for all I care.[/quote]

You can start with this one.. Since you are just so off from reality…

—————————————–
Someone posted this on facebook. His name is Marc Roffman:

As a trucker that would deliver in north jersey and New York I am familiar with these groups. I can hopefully clarify a few things. First the initial “accident” is part of a game they play. They ride in a huge group and will operate together to slow down traffic. Next they pick out high end vehicles targeting people with families in them, the targets will usually be white or Asian. Then one of the riders will do a “brake check” and stop suddenly in front of the target vehicle causing a minor bump. In some cases they will just roll back into their target vehicle. They will then mob the vehicle demanding money and or begin attacking the person inside. It is their practice to also slash the tires to prevent the vehicle from escaping. Truckers are well aware of them and are advised not to stop. You can clearly see in the video how they are well practiced in this style of attack. The police in NY have backed off them after an officer ran one down using his vehicle a few months back. The video was all over the net so I advise you to check it out. These “bikers” ride dirt bikes and sport bikes very few of which are street legal and even fewer have plates. They run red lights, stop signs, and have no regard for the law. If you are ever in this situation do not stop, immediately call the police and do whatever you have to to keep them from boxing you in. NEVER leave the scene of an accident if you are not under direct threat!!! Only run if you have no other choice, and again immediately call the police. This is not rare by any means, the only reason this incident got any attention is because of the helmet cam video being posted on the net. If you see anyone in this situation, call the police. Make no mistake confusing these punks with true bikers. You will rarely if ever see a member of these gangs on a Harley. Do not for a minute blame true bikers for this kind of behavior. Bikers like those involved in the 2 million Bikers to DC Rally are American Patriots and would be among the first to come to your aid. A final note, always be aware of motorcycles and share the road. Check your mirrors and don’t ride anyone’s bumper, motorcycles have a much smaller profile then a car and are harder to see[/quote]

And then when your done with that, you can go to this… To thank your local politicians for this…

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-unions-weigh-stop-and-frisk-court-fight-article-1.1453243

NYPD sergeants union appeals stop-and-frisk verdict; several cop unions seek to intervene in case

HE UNION that represents NYPD sergeants took legal action Wednesday in the stop-and-frisk case in federal court, and the other NYPD unions vowed to follow suit.
The Sergeants Benevolent Association filed a notice to appeal the controversial decision handed down last month by a federal court judge who found aspects of the NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practice to be unconstitutional.
The city has already appealed the decision and on Wednesday asked the appellate court to expedite the appeals process, claiming it needs to be settled fast because the decision has clouded public perception of the NYPD and threatened to disrupt law enforcement work.
Due to the decision, “every officer who sees a black or Hispanic suspect acting suspiciously must confront the real possibility of being charged with intentional race discrimination if he takes proactive steps to detect or deter crime,” the city argued, addressing the appellate court.
“If the district court’s analysis is correct, this court should make a definitive statement to that effect as soon as possible, or refine it so that the city may benefit from its reasoned guidance in reforming its policing practice.”
The sergeants union, arguing that its members are the “front line” for public safety and handling street stops, also filed to intervene in the lawsuit, which was brought by black and Latino men who said they were racially profiled.
The move, if successful, would allow the union to help shape the stop-and-frisk reforms ordered by Manhattan Federal Court Judge Shira Scheindlin. The reforms are currently in limbo while the case is being appealed.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-unions-weigh-stop-and-frisk-court-fight-article-1.1453243#ixzz2gnJQ4yzF%5B/quote%5D

And then when you are done you can go to dozens of articles like this…

http://www.batterypark.tv/first-precinct/nypd-lets-pop-up-bike-gangs-rampage.html

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]Does he car drivers brake check the bikes, then after the bike hit them, the other car drivers surround the biker, pound his bike with helmet and fist?[/quote]

I had a traffic ticket in the past and i remember from my defensive driving class that you need to be far enough back from the vehicle in front of you so you can brake safely. It’s your own responsibility because the vehicle in front may brake suddenly.

I have been in cars where the driver get enraged and starts yelling because a biker splits traffic and zooms by. Guess what? The biker is allowed to do that.[/quote]

You know what? Forget it. You’re hopeless. Just avoid criminals, since I know, I know. Everyone is a victim… And the best way not to get victimized is to just avoid criminals… Because victims always ask for it..

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]Does he car drivers brake check the bikes, then after the bike hit them, the other car drivers surround the biker, pound his bike with helmet and fist?[/quote]

I had a traffic ticket in the past and i remember from my defensive driving class that you need to be far enough back from the vehicle in front of you so you can brake safely. It’s your own responsibility because the vehicle in front may brake suddenly.

I have been in cars where the driver get enraged and starts yelling because a biker splits traffic and zooms by. Guess what? The biker is allowed to do that.[/quote]

And the rider clearly “swooped and squat” on the Ranger Rover. The SUV is not going to out brake the motorcycle. Plus being surrounded by so many bikers he was probably trying to concentrate on the 10 or more bikes immediately surrounding his car and trying not to hit him as well.

So it is no wonder it happened.

Now you are just arguing to be a troll… Your logic in all of this is just as bad as the bikers.

Tell you what. You should join a group like that so that your terrible sense of logic could be validated by the uneducated unmoralistic mob mentality that was demonstrate in the video.

I second FLU’s orginal comment to you. Which is something I have never done on blog.

CE

[FlyerInHi]

Flu, how does stop and frisk related to this case here?

And how are the local politicians to blame for a federal court decision they are appealing?

Your ranting goes all over the place.

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, how does stop and frisk related to this case here?

And how are the local politicians to blame for a federal court decision they are appealing?

Your ranting goes all over the place.[/quote]

You do know the reason why it was shutdown right???

And you do know what happened after if was shutdown, right?

( BTW: that Mayor Bloomberg (a Democrat) supported it…. )

[zk]

[quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=SK in CV][quote=flu]Yes, because everyone is a “victim”

I hate fvcking liberals… now even more so with a passion…[/quote]

I must have missed something here. What is the “liberal” side of this?[/quote]

SK, you wouldn’t know what flu is talking about unless you, too had been brainwashed by the right-wing noise machine. Or at least were familiar with their tactics. All liberals are pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart (god forbid anybody should be concerned about anybody but themselves) losers. And all pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart losers are liberals. Apparently even biker gangs.[/quote]

fuck you.. Sit in the middle of a riot zone like during the LA riots like I did and have your life seriously threatened, and let’s see if you still think punks that want to kill you and your family “are victims”….[/quote]

I didn’t say they were victims, flu. I said (or at least implied) that they think they’re victims and that therefore you think they’re liberals.

You’ve gone off the deep end, flu. You’ve let the right-wing noise machine turn you into one of them. An angry, pathologically liberal-hating jackass with no remaining common sense or ability to think for himself.

[an]

[quote=zk]I didn’t say they were victims, flu. I said (or at least implied) that they think they’re victims and that therefore you think they’re liberals.

You’ve gone off the deep end, flu. You’ve let the right-wing noise machine turn you into one of them. An angry, pathologically liberal-hating jackass with no remaining common sense or ability to think for himself.[/quote]You said only the crazies right wing nut would understand him. I don’t listen to AM radio, I don’t watch Fox (anything), I watch CNN, listen to KPBS, etc. and I understand him perfectly fine.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=zk]I didn’t say they were victims, flu. I said (or at least implied) that they think they’re victims and that therefore you think they’re liberals.

You’ve gone off the deep end, flu. You’ve let the right-wing noise machine turn you into one of them. An angry, pathologically liberal-hating jackass with no remaining common sense or ability to think for himself.[/quote]You said only the crazies right wing nut would understand him. I don’t listen to AM radio, I don’t watch Fox (anything), I watch CNN, listen to KPBS, etc. and I understand him perfectly fine.[/quote]

funny thing is neither do I. Though these days I would avoid CNN, since they are just crazy these days..I go to BBC…

[Coronita]

[quote=zk][quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=SK in CV][quote=flu]Yes, because everyone is a “victim”

I hate fvcking liberals… now even more so with a passion…[/quote]

I must have missed something here. What is the “liberal” side of this?[/quote]

SK, you wouldn’t know what flu is talking about unless you, too had been brainwashed by the right-wing noise machine. Or at least were familiar with their tactics. All liberals are pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart (god forbid anybody should be concerned about anybody but themselves) losers. And all pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart losers are liberals. Apparently even biker gangs.[/quote]

fuck you.. Sit in the middle of a riot zone like during the LA riots like I did and have your life seriously threatened, and let’s see if you still think punks that want to kill you and your family “are victims”….[/quote]

I didn’t say they were victims, flu. I said (or at least implied) that they think they’re victims and that therefore you think they’re liberals.

You’ve gone off the deep end, flu. You’ve let the right-wing noise machine turn you into one of them. An angry, pathologically liberal-hating jackass with no remaining common sense or ability to think for himself.[/quote]

Actually, I like Bloomberg just fine. So there goes your argument…

But hey, it’s important that we shoot down policies so that gang bangers have more rights at the expense of every bystander..

And hey, even in this age, our glorious leaders who continue to champion the rights of criminals as victims…

Because obviously, from pictures like this:

clearly Gloria, CNN, and just about about every sick fuck that wants to portray Alex as a victimizer and that these gangbangers are victims are clearly correct…The wife and 2 year sure look like victimizers of poor church going bikers.

[zk]

[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=zk]I didn’t say they were victims, flu. I said (or at least implied) that they think they’re victims and that therefore you think they’re liberals.

You’ve gone off the deep end, flu. You’ve let the right-wing noise machine turn you into one of them. An angry, pathologically liberal-hating jackass with no remaining common sense or ability to think for himself.[/quote]You said only the crazies right wing nut would understand him. I don’t listen to AM radio, I don’t watch Fox (anything), I watch CNN, listen to KPBS, etc. and I understand him perfectly fine.[/quote]

funny thing is neither do I. Though these days I would avoid CNN, since they are just crazy these days..I go to BBC…[/quote]

BS

[FlyerInHi]

I wasn’t aware of the biker gangs referred to in the Facebook entry flu posted.

Some of you drew from a variety of sources to your conclusions. I don’t think the video itself is all that conclusive.

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