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October 4, 2013 at 12:36 PM #766208October 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM #766209
FlyerInHi
GuestBecause the facts show that he bumped into one of them. And he ran over one biker and didn’t stop as he should have.
Ignore the presumption that the bikers are part of a riding gang, or whatever. Explain the facts to determine guilt.
October 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM #766210spdrun
ParticipantYes the bikers are asses. But Lien likely did something to antagonize them. Lien probably felt big in his SUV and bumped into one of them.
That was my first reaction, but from all I hear, the bikers really were that bad, while not 100% blameless, Lein was the innocent party here.
October 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM #766211enron_by_the_sea
ParticipantLein appears more innocent than George Zimmerman.
But seriously, if this guy had used a gun instead of a car, he would have a huge number of supporters & media supporting him in no time.
October 4, 2013 at 1:50 PM #766212Guest[quote=spdrun]
That was my first reaction, but from all I hear, the bikers really were that bad, while not 100% blameless, Lein was the innocent party here.[/quote]
You’re presuming that these bikers are troublemakers like the other bike gangs you saw on tv. There are lots of presumptions and few facts only analysis.
Assume you’re a young guy riding peacefully with your buddies. An SUV comes along and swipes a rider and keeps on driving. Would all the other guys not want to stop the SUV?
October 4, 2013 at 2:05 PM #766214ParticipantYou’re presuming that these bikers are troublemakers like the other bike gangs you saw on tv. There are lots of presumptions and few facts only analysis.
I ride both bicycles and motorcycles. I know exactly what you’re talking about — this wasn’t the case here. The bikers were making a giant pain in the arse of themselves well before the altercation broke out.
Amusingly, even the local chapter of the Hell’s Angels has called those idiots for being out of line.
October 4, 2013 at 2:06 PM #766215all
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]
That was my first reaction, but from all I hear, the bikers really were that bad, while not 100% blameless, Lein was the innocent party here.[/quote]
You’re presuming that these bikers are troublemakers like the other bike gangs you saw on tv. There are lots of presumptions and few facts only analysis.
Assume you’re a young guy riding peacefully with your buddies. An SUV comes along and swipes a rider and keeps on driving. Would all the other guys not want to stop the SUV?[/quote]
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukdkgLYYbwOctober 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM #766216
CoronitaParticipantdelete.
October 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM #766213CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]
That was my first reaction, but from all I hear, the bikers really were that bad, while not 100% blameless, Lein was the innocent party here.[/quote]
You’re presuming that these bikers are troublemakers like the other bike gangs you saw on tv. There are lots of presumptions and few facts only analysis.
Assume you’re a young guy riding peacefully with your buddies. An SUV comes along and swipes a rider and keeps on driving. Would all the other guys not want to stop the SUV?[/quote]
You have to be fvcking kidding me????Is that your logic.
Let me guess, there’s some sort of twisted justication for a mob to beat 1 man in front of his wife and daughter, and cut up his face? Is that what you’re saying…
You have to be fucking kidding me…
What is wrong with people these days? Are we completely devoid of right versus wrong now, that mob violence is ok????
What next? A woman deserve to get raped if she’s not wearing a nun robe, because the rapist is a victim from his own sexual urges???
Is everyone a victim now?
This is exactly the logic I was referring to that some people think… “Everyone is a victim these days. It’s not your fault, someone else made you do it…”
Black isn’t really black, white really is white. Because it can be gray, since we have to analyze if the mob violence is justified. Because heck, with an accident (if your an asshat and belief wasn’t provoked by a bike gang that had a history of run ins back in 2011), is ok to try to find a fvcking excuse for why it’s “ok” to beat a man in front of his wife and kids…
Un fucking believable…
Oh and where’s Al, and where’s Sharpton…Shit if this was a black driver, people would be scream bloody murder that this was a hate crime…No questions asked. And if the bikers were a bunch of white people, well shit. Definitely it would have been racist..
But since the bikers were mixed black and latino, and since the driver was Asian… Well, shit no hate crime there. Since liberal hate crime laws don’t apply in that case…And shit, since obviously the asian was driving a Range Rover and wealthy, he must have been rich and well off, arrogant prick that was driving errantically..
And because of that, he deserved (like all other 1%ers) to get his ass kicked in front of his wife and kids… And sure, it’s unfortunate that he was able to limp his SUV all the way to a crowded area were there were plenty of witnesses that ended up cutting short his beating. Because shit, it would have been better if Alex got stranded in the middle of nowhere so that the bikers could have beat him to death, and then raped and murdered his wife and 2 year old daughter afterwards….Because even in that case, they still deserved it, because, as you say Alex might have been driving like an asshat…
Damn.. People in this country are really fucked up these days…
October 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM #766218an
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]You’re presuming that these bikers are troublemakers like the other bike gangs you saw on tv. There are lots of presumptions and few facts only analysis.
Assume you’re a young guy riding peacefully with your buddies. An SUV comes along and swipes a rider and keeps on driving. Would all the other guys not want to stop the SUV?[/quote]
Never mind the fact that there are over 200 911 calls relating to this group blocking freeway on ramps, stopping traffic, etc. If they’re not troublemakers, then why do you think there are over 200 911 calls related to them? If you’re the young guy you’re describing, do you think there will be 200+ 911 calls against you?October 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM #766219CoronitaParticipant[quote=zk][quote=SK in CV][quote=flu]Yes, because everyone is a “victim”
I hate fvcking liberals… now even more so with a passion…[/quote]
I must have missed something here. What is the “liberal” side of this?[/quote]
SK, you wouldn’t know what flu is talking about unless you, too had been brainwashed by the right-wing noise machine. Or at least were familiar with their tactics. All liberals are pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart (god forbid anybody should be concerned about anybody but themselves) losers. And all pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart losers are liberals. Apparently even biker gangs.[/quote]
fuck you.. Sit in the middle of a riot zone like during the LA riots like I did and have your life seriously threatened, and let’s see if you still think punks that want to kill you and your family “are victims”….
October 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM #766220Guest[quote=all]
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukdkgLYYbw%5B/quote%5DThat’s the video where they made Lien stop. Then he runs over one guy to get away.
But why did the bikers pursue him and make him stop?
I’ve had many groups of bikers drive by me before without incident.
I could imagine that, in my younger days, had I been out riding and a big SUV driver swiped one of my buddies, we would have demanded that he stop. We probably would have cursed him out in front of his wife and daughter too.
I’m not defending the guy who beat Lien. But show me the facts where Lien was in the right to run over someone. Let’s rationally look at each event please.
October 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM #766222Guest[quote=AN]
Never mind the fact that there are over 200 911 calls relating to this group blocking freeway on ramps, stopping traffic, etc. If they’re not troublemakers, then why do you think there are over 200 911 calls related to them? If you’re the young guy you’re describing, do you think there will be 200+ 911 calls against you?[/quote]This one very group? Or similar groups in the same region?
I don’t really follow the story so I might be missing some information. I’m willing to be swayed one way or the other though
October 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM #766221ltsddd
Participant[quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=SK in CV][quote=flu]Yes, because everyone is a “victim”
I hate fvcking liberals… now even more so with a passion…[/quote]
I must have missed something here. What is the “liberal” side of this?[/quote]
SK, you wouldn’t know what flu is talking about unless you, too had been brainwashed by the right-wing noise machine. Or at least were familiar with their tactics. All liberals are pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart (god forbid anybody should be concerned about anybody but themselves) losers. And all pansies, crybabies, victims, freeloaders, and bleeding-heart losers are liberals. Apparently even biker gangs.[/quote]
fuck you.. Sit in the middle of a riot zone like during the LA riots like I did and have your life seriously threatened, and let’s see if you still think punks that want to kill you and your family “are victims”….[/quote]
These bikers are just “average people who like to ride their bikes”
….without a license plate
….on side walks
….brake-checking in front of moving vehicles
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..October 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM #766224Guest[quote=flu]
fuck you.. [/quote]Maybe that’s the attitude of the SUV driver as he met the group of bikers
So he’s surrounded by bikes… That’s how bikers feel about cars.
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