One Paseo Vote

[spdrun]

Talking about density in San Diego. I can imagine a tower of micro apartments over UTC. Tech workers and students would happily rent.

Why not just create dense developments that’s taller, but has 500-600 sf apartments? Yeah, living in ~200 sf is possible, but why?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]

Talking about density in San Diego. I can imagine a tower of micro apartments over UTC. Tech workers and students would happily rent.

Why not just create dense developments that’s taller, but has 500-600 sf apartments? Yeah, living in ~200 sf is possible, but why?[/quote]

That’s for the market the decide, if they could be built. Some people may not even want a full kitchen. You’d have to provide amenities that people want. Serviced apartments more like hotels?

But I agree, larger apartments are more comfortable. My own apartment is about 670sf with a 180sf terrace. But it’s small by most people’s standards. I’m quite happy with it. Although it’d be nice to have a 2/2 so I could have guests.

When I was younger, I dreamt of a mega mansion, but since I discovered apartment living, I love it. Less stressful and less maintenance. Admittedly, my budget is limited so money is an object; and maybe the adjustment is out of necessity.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=The-Shoveler]LOL probably closer to “Encino” than Beverly Hills,

You need to be closer to “Rancho Santa Fe” to be compared to 90210. (which trust me is a good thing).

Only the servants kids go to public school in 90210.[/quote]

When I think of the San Fernando Valley of back in the day (like before 1996) I picture 1/2 country bumpkins.[/quote]

Funny, before the late 80’s there were quite a few Tech companies in the SF-Valley, about that time is when they moved to the burbs.

[CA renter]

[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=The-Shoveler]LOL probably closer to “Encino” than Beverly Hills,

You need to be closer to “Rancho Santa Fe” to be compared to 90210. (which trust me is a good thing).

Only the servants kids go to public school in 90210.[/quote]

When I think of the San Fernando Valley of back in the day (like before 1996) I picture 1/2 country bumpkins.[/quote]

Funny, before the late 80’s there were quite a few Tech companies in the SF-Valley, about that time is when they moved to the burbs.[/quote]

And lots of aerospace companies, too, until the 80s. 🙁

I don’t remember any country bumpkins in the Valley, though I’ve heard stories about the chicken farms from some of the old-timers (now deceased) who grew up there before the freeways were built.

We did have some orange groves, corn fields, and strawberry groves in the west valley back in the day, but those were some very rich “country bumpkins” who owned them. They were eventually sold off and converted into high-rise hotels and offices, large condo complexes, apartment complexes, etc. many years ago.

[FlyerInHi]

You’re right, shovelor. Lots of small to medium tech companies, many of them supporting the defense sector.

[an]

Wasn’t there a vote today? Anyone know what’s the result?

[svelte]

[quote=AN]Wasn’t there a vote today? Anyone know what’s the result?[/quote]

http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-city-council-to-consider-750m-carmel-valley-project-one-paseo

[flyer]

We’ve been out of town, but just heard the news from a friend that it was approved, with just two “no” votes. Lots of info available on the Internet about it.

We’ve decided to keep the rentals we own in CV, and see how all of this develops as time goes on.

[Coronita]

Oh bummer. Oh well, glad I live on the other side of Carmel Valley. I think my property value will be affected by this by 0.000001%

Near term impact will be to the Solana Beach school district I think that serves that area…Well, I guess there’s even more reason to send my kid to the new middle school near canyon crest in a few years.

[Coronita]

[quote=flyer]We’ve been out of town, but just heard the news from a friend that it was approved, with just two “no” votes. Lots of info available on the Internet about it.

We’ve decided to keep the rentals we own in CV, and see how all of this develops as time goes on.[/quote]

Come on now… As financially astute you are, were you really seriously considering selling your home(s) in CV over this????? Most of the SFH’s won’t be affected by this. It’s main affect will be in all the condo/apartments/townhomes/and 1-2 small SFH communities in that area, if at all. I agree that personally I think it’s a really big project. But it’s impact on property values….. i seriously doubt it.

Just because they put in “affordable housing” (which i believe is 10% only anyway), doesn’t really mean “ghetto”….It’s still pretty expensive…Plus, I believe they will be rental communities owned by Kilroy. Won’t impact the supply of resale homes to purchase I believe.

[flyer]

At one point, yes, flu, when friends who still live there became so concerned about it–we rallied with them against it–based on “quality of life issues,” as have been discussed.

I have read/heard that over 40K people are expected to move to San Diego this year, with more and more in the future, but, even though projects like One Paseo will help accomodate this need for housing, and may not adversely effect property values, I think it will change the quality of life in “The Valley” (great satire, BTW). Hopefully, most of it will be positive, but only time will tell.

[Coronita]

[quote=flyer]At one point, yes, flu, when friends who still live there became so concerned about it–we rallied with them against it–based on “quality of life issues,” as have been discussed.

I have read/heard that over 40K people are expected to move to San Diego this year, with more and more in the future, but, even though projects like One Paseo will help accomodate this need for housing, and may not adversely effect property values, I think it will change the quality of life in “The Valley” (great satire, BTW). Hopefully, most of it will be positive, but only time will tell.[/quote]

But this to me doesn’t make sense. One Paseo is right across the street from Del Mar Highlands Town Center. This area is primarily commercial already.The main residential communities around are townhomes,apartments, and condos, not SFH. The majority of SFH’s are north of del mar heights, or on the side of carmel creek and carmel country rd. I don’t see how this community, as large as it is, is going to be affecting the property values of all the SFH’s that mostly further away. It’s not like the tenants of these new apartments inside One Paseo are going to be cross-shopping between renting there and buying a SFH in the area.

This new mall, will also most likely be high end. I could understand the concern if they were going to stick a walmart, dollar tree, or even target in there. But I doubt that will be the case. Rent prices for these retail locations will be high for businesses, as they are just as high in every other retail location in Carmel Valley. And if they bring in high end retail, the snooty factor of 92130 just went up even more (I’m being serious on this one).

The main impact would mainly be the elementary school that primarily services that area, which belongs to solana beach. The few schools further out DMUSD don’t serve this area, and if they did, those schools aren’t filled to capacity at all.

There might be an impact to the middle school, but they are already building another middle school near canyon crest.Might add more kids to Torrey Pines HS too.

The other impact might be the attached communities right next to this area, but with the influx of more people coming in, I doubt there will ever be surplus of rentals. People had the same concern about mira mesa when they started building that huge apartment complex at the end of I-15, thinking with that many units they are adding, it would drive rent prices down. It hasn’t. Those luxury apartments rent at a premium and everyone else has been seeing rent prices continue to rise and demand is as strong if not stronger than before.

The only thing that I’m bothered by are those new apartments in One Paseo will be owned by Kilroy most likely, and not available for purchase I think.

[flyer]

flu, having interacted with people from multiple perspectives, I can understand the thoughts of those who were “for” “against” and “neutral” concerning this project.

As always, you make many excellent points, but everyone has their own reasons for feeling the way they do about One Paseo–rational or otherwise–and, IMHO, only time will reveal how all of this will actually play out. If it is to be, I hope it works out well for everyone.

[The-Shoveler]

Well between flu and flyer I think these are the first “somewhat” positive comments from people who actually have property in CV.

My main objection was it seemed like the City wanted to build the downtown they always wish for instead of rebuilding/expanding the current downtown area.
(just forcing their Idea on someone else’s community)

Anyway better your back yard than mine (just kidding , sort of).

IMO (from my experience) adding density only works out well up to a certain point.

[svelte]

Nobody will likely be entirely happy with the decision, and sometimes that is the sign of a great compromise.

San Diego, like most very large cities, is really a set of cities within cities. I kind of see each of those sub-cities as needing a hub. Hopefully One Paseo can provide that for Carmel Valley.

Hey, we’re about to get a similar thing here in San Marcos just a few miles from my home. And I haven’t even made any protest signs.

As for those owning rentals in Carmel Valley who are upset about One Paseo, you do understand that most owners who live in their Carmel Valley are less than thrilled with their neighbors who rent their property out. That puts your property in the undesirable category to them…not much different than they way they view One Paseo…they might actually be happy if you sold to someone who would actually live in the home!

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