One Paseo Vote

[FlyerInHi]

Well, if you win, you’ll end up with another blah 1980s type development.

Decisions should be made by leaders, not public referendum.

[njtosd]

Wait – isn’t this a democracy? Even if you’re happy with leaders making these decisions – they have to comply with city plans. They can’t go AWOL because it will add $100 to the city coffers. For example – I’m sure Kilroy would pay lots to build a high rise condo complex on Torrey pines beach – but is that what is best overall?

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Well, if you win, you’ll end up with another blah 1980s type development.

Decisions should be made by leaders, not public referendum.[/quote]

I’m perfectly happy with the mall across the street (del mar highlands). My only complaint is when it gets busy, parking stinks. Oh wait. Maybe that’s the concern.

[Coronita]

[quote=njtosd]Wait – isn’t this a democracy? Even if you’re happy with leaders making these decisions – they have to comply with city plans. They can’t go AWOL because it will add $100 to the city coffers. For example – I’m sure Kilroy would pay lots to build a high rise condo complex on Torrey pines beach – but is that what is best overall?[/quote]

Democracy is only necessary when laws/rules aren’t passed the way you wanted them to. But if rules/laws pass the way you want them to, democracy clearly is not needed.

[flyer]

For many of the reasons others have mentioned, I’m glad to see that One Paseo will probably go to a public vote.

It will be interesting to see if a few projects like this (should they be approved) really end up making San Diego a more affordable place to live for future generations or not.

I would imagine that, like me–many Piggs realize factors concerning affordablity issues in our city going forward are, for the most part, out of our hands–and, imo, all each of us can do is make plans for ourselves and our kids accordingly.

[Coronita]

I don’t get the emphasis of affordable rental housing in Carmel Valley by Kilroy. Bow “affordable” can housing be if you’re stuck a tenant? I don’t see any of those “homes” being constructed by Kilroy’s plan ever being owner occupied. Look at all the rental properties corporate owned in Carmel Valley. Are they really “affordable” for your average worker bee?

It’s funny that Kilroy is complaining that this project might not be profitable if they aren’t able to build this project at the scale they want.Lol…Yes, Kilroy, I think you need to take a chance and take some risk..No different then every one of your decisions you made to build one of those many office buildings all along El Camino that remained empty with that “for lease” sign all these years. Kilroy is one of the entities that doesn’t seem to have a problem of building a bunch of empty office buildings!

[lookingagain]

[quote=flu]

Not to mention that the bigger density of non-owner occupied, the less likely people that live there will ever donate money to the public schools extended studies programs. Just follow the money trail for the DMUSD extended studies programs, in which you have a small percentage of the families contributing to an optional program for which a big percentage of others don’t contribute jack and enjoy all the benefits of it.

This is a cash grab by kilroy. That’s why developers usually do. They dump a bunch of rental properties into a community, and then when the schools are overburdened, they don’t donate 1 penny to the public schools in that community. I might change my mind if Kilroy actually stepped up and committed to annual contributions to the DMUSD, San Dieguito school district for middle school, and high school for the next 10 years. But nope…I haven’t seen that mentioned.[/quote]

I don’t want to derail this thread, but flu you do realize that the ESC program is nothing but a giveaway to the Teachers Union (ironic given your handle).

[an]

[quote=flu]I don’t get the emphasis of affordable rental housing in Carmel Valley by Kilroy. Bow “affordable” can housing be if you’re stuck a tenant? I don’t see any of those “homes” being constructed by Kilroy’s plan ever being owner occupied. Look at all the rental properties corporate owned in Carmel Valley. Are they really “affordable” for your average worker bee?[/quote]I don’t know about the One Paseo’s plan for affordable housing, but there are affordable housing in Pacific Highland Ranch too. What they do is have a income limit, then the city dictate how much the developer can sell those units for and only those who qualify can buy those units. When they’re ready to sell, they can only sell for the price that the city dictate. So, it’s meant to be an affordable housing (owner occupied) option. OC have a lot of those too. It’s similar to rent control, except this is to allow people to purchase their home.

[FlyerInHi]

More housing supply can only be good for affordability.

[Coronita]

[quote=lookingagain][quote=flu]

Not to mention that the bigger density of non-owner occupied, the less likely people that live there will ever donate money to the public schools extended studies programs. Just follow the money trail for the DMUSD extended studies programs, in which you have a small percentage of the families contributing to an optional program for which a big percentage of others don’t contribute jack and enjoy all the benefits of it.

This is a cash grab by kilroy. That’s why developers usually do. They dump a bunch of rental properties into a community, and then when the schools are overburdened, they don’t donate 1 penny to the public schools in that community. I might change my mind if Kilroy actually stepped up and committed to annual contributions to the DMUSD, San Dieguito school district for middle school, and high school for the next 10 years. But nope…I haven’t seen that mentioned.[/quote]

I don’t want to derail this thread, but flu you do realize that the ESC program is nothing but a giveaway to the Teachers Union (ironic given your handle).[/quote]

Yes, but happy teachers make happy students and happy schools.

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]More housing supply can only be good for affordability.[/quote]

And I would challenge whether we need to solve the affordability “problem” all over the place. there are plenty of “affordable” places to live. I don’t see people trying to solve an affordability problem in rancho santa fe. If so, sign me up.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]I don’t get the emphasis of affordable rental housing in Carmel Valley by Kilroy. Bow “affordable” can housing be if you’re stuck a tenant? I don’t see any of those “homes” being constructed by Kilroy’s plan ever being owner occupied. Look at all the rental properties corporate owned in Carmel Valley. Are they really “affordable” for your average worker bee?[/quote]I don’t know about the One Paseo’s plan for affordable housing, but there are affordable housing in Pacific Highland Ranch too. What they do is have a income limit, then the city dictate how much the developer can sell those units for and only those who qualify can buy those units. When they’re ready to sell, they can only sell for the price that the city dictate. So, it’s meant to be an affordable housing (owner occupied) option. OC have a lot of those too. It’s similar to rent control, except this is to allow people to purchase their home.[/quote]

And I don’t have a problem with that at all. Because that’s owner occupied.

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