One Paseo Vote

[spdrun]

Well, train to One Paseo isn’t happening for the next ten years at least. Consider the fact that PLANNED completion for the UTC extension is 2019 (make that 2020-1), an extension further north hasn’t even been planned, and the amount of red tape and NIMBYism involved in coastal CA.

[an]

You have to start somewhere.

[njtosd]

[quote=peoplefirst]Any reader of this website should understand that housing is a matter of supply and demand. If supply is allowed to increase enough to meet demand, the price to buy or rent goes down and becomes more affordable.

Where to put this new housing? The new City General Plan says it should be multifamily housing grouped around “Village Centers” so that people can walk to work, stores, restaurants, and public transit. The plan says that where we don’t already have village centers, like Carmel Valley, we need to start building them.

We can’t follow the old 1975 zoning plan for Carmel Valley, it’s 40 years out of date. It assumes that residents will use cars to go everywhere forever. It also didn’t foresee that Carmel Valley would become an upscale neighborhood that would want an upscale mixed use shopping, not another dumbed strip mall.

One Paseo is good for the housing supply, for the environment, and for people; because it starts to build an upscale village center for Carmel Valley.[/quote]

And by the way, if the current plan were inadequate because it’s 40 yrs out of date I would have expected some group to come up with a comprehensive plan to change the entire area. As it is, Kilroy is just looking to cram as many sq ft as possible on this parcel of land so they can reap the profits. Any suggestion that this is “community minded” is absolutely ridiculous.

[Coronita]

I actually, I find the idea about “low income” housing interesting. How many of these things are really “low income” after they are built? I remember supposedly Pardee was going to put in low income housing in their newer developments in Carmel Country Highland. I don’t think it really happened. As far as rentals are concerned, they just put in two big apartment complexes in torrey hills. Those condos have rent prices around $1800 for 1/1, $2100 for 2/2 and $2500 for 3/2…. That’s suppose to be “affordable”? Lol…

The biggest impact will be probably schools. In Carmel Valley, a good portion of the school’s ESC program for science, music, art is self-funded by donations from parents. Short term tenants do not donate to these ESC funds to the extent that people who own homes in this area do, despite their kids enjoying the same programs that the rest of the donors end up funding.

[spdrun]

AN: you have to start somewhere, but money is finite. I’d argue that:
(1) If possible, extension of the light rail to Sorrento Valley (and interconnection with the main coast line trains there)
(2) Double tracking as much of the main coast line as possible between L.A. and San Diego.
(3) Electrifying the same (watch the NIMBYs scream “OMG … EMF!”)
(4) New Coaster station at Del Mar Heights Road
(5) Separated bikeway and/or walkways roughly parallel to Del Mar Heights road. Bus transit from One Paseo to the Coaster.

… would be a better use of money than a light-rail extension that dead-ends at One Paseo. Unless the developers want to pay for it themselves.

(4) and (5) should be priorities and are doable.

[an]

If they can build extension of the blue line through Mira Mesa from UTC, I don’t see why extending it through Carmel Valley would be a problem.

[Coronita]

A coaster in Carmel Valley??? Oh hell no…. Not in my “hood”….

🙂

[an]

[quote=flu]A coaster in Carmel Valley??? Oh hell no…. Not in my “hood”….

:)[/quote]
LoL, damn NIMBYer 😀

[spdrun]

It will probably take 10-15 years to do. Meanwhile, there’s a perfectly good rail line running along the coast about 2.5 miles away.

It looks like the UTC blue line extension will share the Coaster’s right-of-way for much of the way, making a lot of it easy to build.

San Diego Plans Extension to Its Trolley Network, Mostly Skipping Over Inner City

So building a long divergent right-of-way to Carmel Valley would likely be more expensive and time-consuming.

It’s a shame that the Blue Line isn’t being built now. With improved signaling and train control systems, the trend is for regulators to grant exceptions to allow lighter rail cars to use “heavy” rail lines.

Blue Line should have had shared/interchangeable tracks with the Coaster line and been electrified at 25,000 volts A.C. (world standard) or 3,000 volts D.C. (if they didn’t want transformers in the cars) not at lower trolley voltages. Done right, it could have been a back-door way to start electrifying the main coast line towards LA.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]A coaster in Carmel Valley??? Oh hell no…. Not in my “hood”….

:)[/quote]
LoL, damn NIMBYer :-D[/quote]

Man, with a coaster stop in Carmel Valley, we’re going to get invaded by all the rift rafts from Mira Mesa.

[an]

[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=flu]A coaster in Carmel Valley??? Oh hell no…. Not in my “hood”….

:)[/quote]
LoL, damn NIMBYer :-D[/quote]

Man, with a coaster stop in Carmel Valley, we’re going to get invaded by all the rift rafts from Mira Mesa.[/quote]Damn Mira Mesa rift rafts and their walls. Ruin everything for everybody else.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=flu]A coaster in Carmel Valley??? Oh hell no…. Not in my “hood”….

:)[/quote]
LoL, damn NIMBYer :-D[/quote]

Man, with a coaster stop in Carmel Valley, we’re going to get invaded by all the rift rafts from Mira Mesa.[/quote]Damn Mira Mesa rift rafts and their walls. Ruin everything for everybody else.[/quote]

Come on we know what’s going to happen. With a coaster between mira mesa and carmel valley

1) Mira Mesa real estate is going to go up, because Carmel Valley will now be much more easily accessible from Mira Mesa

and

2) Carmel Valley real estate is going to go down, because Mira Mesa will now be much more easily accessible from Carmel Valley. Think about how many times I can easily go to Home Depot and bring back a bunch of uncut lumber and simply dump it on my front yard. The planks per sqft foot would exponentially go up.

What I really need is a direct line to Chula Vista, so I can bring back stuff from the auto scrapyards.

[FlyerInHi]

I agree, AN. If we want San Diego to become a world class city, we need density to accommodate the workforce to support companies in the golden triangle.

Tech companies employ graduates who come from all over the world, places where density is taken for granted.

[spdrun]

To play Beelzebub’s attorney: different cities are different. Why does San Diego need to emulate denser cities in order to be “world-class?” And why does it need to have the label of “world-class” rather than just being an enjoyable and beautiful place to live?

[an]

Like it or not, San Diego is already the 2nd most expensive city to live in, relative to income. Also, like it or not, San Diego is desirable and more people will move here, especially well off retiree. So, you really have two option, continue on the same path of suburban sprawl or increase density and build for what is to come. Keep in mind that San Diego is almost built out, so if we continue down this path, we’ll be completely built out sooner rather than later. Which mean that it will only get more expensive to live here once San Diego is completely built out and the baby boomers are hitting retirement age in earnest. We also have heard it here many times that the economy are not very vibrant here and that many are moving to LA or bay area for jobs. Some of us would like our kids and grand kids to be able to stay in San Diego and have plenty of opportunities. In order to have that kind of vibrant economy, you need a lot of people, a lot of universities, and a lot of venture money. We can’t control the venture money, but we can control where people live, how many people actually fit in the city/county and how many Universities are in this region.

So with that said, to answer the question of why San Diego need to emulate denser cities in order to be “world class”, because that’s just a natural progression of a world class city. It grows. As it grows, you can either build more housing for the new people or have them be priced out and only the rich and those who bought ages ago can afford to live there. I would much rather start building density today instead of decades down the road when you paint yourself into a corner. Personally, I think Pacific Highland Ranch would have been a much smarter place to build such density and town center. But too bad that didn’t happen.

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