One Paseo Vote

[peoplefirst]

Any reader of this website should understand that housing is a matter of supply and demand. If supply is allowed to increase enough to meet demand, the price to buy or rent goes down and becomes more affordable.

Where to put this new housing? The new City General Plan says it should be multifamily housing grouped around “Village Centers” so that people can walk to work, stores, restaurants, and public transit. The plan says that where we don’t already have village centers, like Carmel Valley, we need to start building them.

We can’t follow the old 1975 zoning plan for Carmel Valley, it’s 40 years out of date. It assumes that residents will use cars to go everywhere forever. It also didn’t foresee that Carmel Valley would become an upscale neighborhood that would want an upscale mixed use shopping, not another dumbed strip mall.

One Paseo is good for the housing supply, for the environment, and for people; because it starts to build an upscale village center for Carmel Valley.

[njtosd]

[quote=peoplefirst]Any reader of this website should understand that housing is a matter of supply and demand. If supply is allowed to increase enough to meet demand, the price to buy or rent goes down and becomes more affordable.

Where to put this new housing? The new City General Plan says it should be multifamily housing grouped around “Village Centers” so that people can walk to work, stores, restaurants, and public transit. The plan says that where we don’t already have village centers, like Carmel Valley, we need to start building them.

We can’t follow the old 1975 zoning plan for Carmel Valley, it’s 40 years out of date. It assumes that residents will use cars to go everywhere forever. It also didn’t foresee that Carmel Valley would become an upscale neighborhood that would want an upscale mixed use shopping, not another dumbed strip mall.

One Paseo is good for the housing supply, for the environment, and for people; because it starts to build an upscale village center for Carmel Valley.[/quote]

Interesting – peoplefirst – you just registered for this board 8 hrs ago. From the rather “canned” sound of this post, you are either a politician or employed by Kilroy ….

[cvmom]

[quote=peoplefirst]We can’t follow the old 1975 zoning plan for Carmel Valley, it’s 40 years out of date. It assumes that residents will use cars to go everywhere forever. [/quote]

See what I mean by how depressing this process is? The developer uses this as an argument (CV people just want to use cars to go everywhere), but then includes no public transit in the next 20 years in the plan for One Paseo. Instead, traffic (and therefore pollution) will just get significantly worse if this is built.

[ltsddd]

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[carli]

Peoplefirst, there are many points I could take issue with in your post, but you really lost all credibility when you stated the current One Paseo proposal is actually good for the environment.

As you know, there will be massive traffic impacts (predictions of 24,000 more car trips/day) and no one, including Kilroy Development, has addressed public transit. People may not realize there is absolutely zero public transit serving Carmel Valley and One Paseo. (Public transit map is here; notice the big blank space throughout Carmel Valley: http://www.gonctd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/System-Map-Feb-2015.pdf) The closest public transit is the bus that goes north/south on Coast Highway 101 in Del Mar, 2+ miles to the west. Are most people who depend on public transit going to move to a place where they need to walk almost 2.5 miles (including two big hills) to take the bus?

And please don’t say that One Paseo is good for the environment because it will offer some denser housing options. Adding 24,000 additional car trips/day trumps the One Paseo housing deal in terms of environmental impact by a long, long shot.

[spdrun]

Is it possible to bike on the roads connecting the development to the coast road?

[Hobie]

Del Mar Heights rd and El Camino are super busy 3 lane roads now. Death wish to ride a bike through there if this project goes up.

For kicks look at the twitter feed from OnePaseo. Major spin. Njtosd and Carli are on the right side of this with accuracy and perspective.

[FlyerInHi]

I personally love dense developments with high rises so this doesn’t bother me one bit. I would buy if the price is right.

Some people think that UTC is traffic hell and they are planning to add condos to the mall. Makes perfect sense to me. Connect all those high density villages with light rail and we have a recipe for success. BTW, public transport follows density, not the other way around.

Mission/Fashion valleys are nothing compared to other cities, traffic wise.

[spdrun]

Density doesn’t make for a good development, necessarily. It’s a combination of mixed-use (ability to walk to interesting businesses), access to transit, access to jobs, access to interesting aspects of nature (beach or mountains), interesting architecture, interesting people. Something that can’t easily be replicated in a planned community.

The best dense neighborhoods grow organically. To give an extreme example, would you rather live in a dense area of tower blocks with nothing on the ground floor, or somewhere like a less dense college town with houses walking distance to woods and/or a beach? (Think of Santa Cruz if you’ve been there.)

Personally, I’d pick a 2 bedroom condo or bungalow in North Park or one of the beach cities over this thing.

[Hobie]

[quote=FlyerInHi] public transport follows density, not the other way around. [/quote]

Brian, this is flawed thinking by city planners. The necessary infrastructure needs to be anticipated, planned, budgeted, and installed before developments go in.

Just look our current water and freeway situations. Might hard and expensive to work around existing structures.

Sandag spent $$ creating this data forecast years ago.

As an aside, this developer is pitching Uber as a solution for the lack public transit.

[spdrun]

As an aside, this developer is pitching Uber as a solution for the lack public transit.

Uber is a good replacement for taxi dispatchers. Transit it is not.

[flyer]

As a San Diego (LJ) native, who remembers what it was like to live in this once idyllic place, I wish they’d never built most of the developments they’ve built in our fair city (years ago, people tried to block the development of Carmel Valley) and even now, as a real estate investor, who owns rentals there, I still don’t feel this particular project is right for the area for the many reasons mentioned.

[an]

San Diego is practically built out. There’s no room left to build massive SFR development. If you truly want homes to be more affordable for next generations and beyond, the only solution is to have projects like these. Just look at the South Bay and the Peninsula as examples. Mountain View, Palo Alto, etc. all have their own downtown with high density mix used development. These development were built before Caltrain was built. Same goes for all the high rise office buildings around that area. Afterward, Caltrain went in and other public transit system start to be built to service these areas. I feel San Diego need more of these “Village Centers” as well, since we don’t have small cities litter throughout San Diego County. However, we do have decently large neighborhood that should have their own village/town center. Think of them as mini-downtown.

I don’t think One Paseo is ideal at its current state, however, I think it’s only missing a light rail station. Maybe, instead of opposing the project out right, they opponent should be pushing for a light rail station at the development as well. One can be connected to the UTC station that’s being built right now.

Mira Mesa has 2 developments that are much larger than the One Paseo project. However, it also include plan for a light rail station, the expansion of the blue line from UTC. It also include creating a new artery road (Carroll Canyon Road) that’s a 6 lane road with bike path from the 805 to the 15.

Our freeway system can’t handle more jobs from the golden triangle without higher density housing near by and public transit system. I want San Diego to grow and become a world class city/county with a lot of high paying jobs. I see a lot of people complain that SD currently don’t have a lot of high paying jobs and cost of living is too high (due to the desirability of the area) yet oppose growth. How do you think we’ll get more companies to move here if we don’t have the infrastructure and the workforce to service those companies?

[spdrun]

Light rail from UTC to the intersection of El Camino Real and Del Mar Heights is another ~5 miles, probably longer since the terrain isn’t flat. Connecting to the coast line and running on existing tracks, then up Del Mar Heights isn’t an option due to the grades involved (unless one wants a light rail cog railway!).

That’s almost half the length of the existing 11 mile extension. Who will pay for it and deal with environmental/NIMBY issues?

What about a station on the existing main coast line at Del Mar Heights Road and bus rapid transit east/west along the road? And if we’re dreaming, electrify and double-track the coast line from San Diego to LA while we’re at it and use lightweight electric trains that can accelerate hard between stops to cut schedule times. Right now, the lumbering diesel double-deck dinosaurs that they use are far slower than they need to be.

Temporarily, there could also be bus transit between One Paseo and Sorrento Valley station, maybe down Del Mar Heights to Solana station as well.

[Hobie]

sp, remember this is Del Mar area – train is one thing, maybe… but take a bus? not happening.. 🙂

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