Mad as Hell and not going to take it anymore ???

[ucodegen]

I’ve owned a couple of Sigs in my time, but there’s something about a .45 with a 13+1 capacity that just warms the cockles of my evil little heart. Especially when those 14 rounds are 230gr Hydra-Shoks.

What about a .357 SIG for a concealable. The goal on this design was to equal the performace of a 125gr .357 Magnum load. Muzzle vel of the SIG is about 1450fps on a 4 inch barrel, 792Joules energy (highest I have seen for a .45ACP is about 700Joules).

Only problem with the 357SIG is the muzzle flash and noise. The 45 ACP makes a good ‘silenced’ device, hard to do that with the 357SIG

PS: The .357SIG is supposedly standard issue for special agents of the Secret Service. Scary part is that is it also standard issue for the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (I guess they really want the money!)

For a .45 ACP, look at CorBon JHP. Lighter bullet, higher velocity. Penetration is less within human target while delivering almost 50% more shock energy than a HydraShok.

Some tests with .45ACP and .357SIG
http://intrencik.com/357sig.htm

[NotCranky]

I agree with DavelJ,
This was a probably the culmination of typical suicide revenge issue, narcissistically copycatting a recent more infamous event. He snapped. Maybe he couldn’t help himself,but he had a great part in bringing about his problems. It is scary though.Just not apocalyptic, high odds your next scary.

It might make some auditors and others in government with the power to exact fees and penalties be more careful. It isn’t like government(s) never tries to shake people down or bury their legitmate rights because of money.

[NotCranky]

I agree with DavelJ,
This was a probably the culmination of typical suicide revenge issue, narcissistically copycatting a recent more infamous event. He snapped. Maybe he couldn’t help himself,but he had a great part in bringing about his problems. It is scary though.Just not apocalyptic, high odds your next scary.

It might make some auditors and others in government with the power to exact fees and penalties be more careful. It isn’t like government(s) never tries to shake people down or bury their legitmate rights because of money.

[NotCranky]

I agree with DavelJ,
This was a probably the culmination of typical suicide revenge issue, narcissistically copycatting a recent more infamous event. He snapped. Maybe he couldn’t help himself,but he had a great part in bringing about his problems. It is scary though.Just not apocalyptic, high odds your next scary.

It might make some auditors and others in government with the power to exact fees and penalties be more careful. It isn’t like government(s) never tries to shake people down or bury their legitmate rights because of money.

[NotCranky]

I agree with DavelJ,
This was a probably the culmination of typical suicide revenge issue, narcissistically copycatting a recent more infamous event. He snapped. Maybe he couldn’t help himself,but he had a great part in bringing about his problems. It is scary though.Just not apocalyptic, high odds your next scary.

It might make some auditors and others in government with the power to exact fees and penalties be more careful. It isn’t like government(s) never tries to shake people down or bury their legitmate rights because of money.

[NotCranky]

I agree with DavelJ,
This was a probably the culmination of typical suicide revenge issue, narcissistically copycatting a recent more infamous event. He snapped. Maybe he couldn’t help himself,but he had a great part in bringing about his problems. It is scary though.Just not apocalyptic, high odds your next scary.

It might make some auditors and others in government with the power to exact fees and penalties be more careful. It isn’t like government(s) never tries to shake people down or bury their legitmate rights because of money.

[Zeitgeist]

Allan,

There are a couple of bright spots in this story: 1) not many people were killed and 2) he used an airplane and not a firearm. If he had shot the people all the gun control nuts would come out of the wood work and start trying to turn us into Europe. Maybe it’s too late. Maybe we are halfway there.

[Zeitgeist]

Allan,

There are a couple of bright spots in this story: 1) not many people were killed and 2) he used an airplane and not a firearm. If he had shot the people all the gun control nuts would come out of the wood work and start trying to turn us into Europe. Maybe it’s too late. Maybe we are halfway there.

[Zeitgeist]

Allan,

There are a couple of bright spots in this story: 1) not many people were killed and 2) he used an airplane and not a firearm. If he had shot the people all the gun control nuts would come out of the wood work and start trying to turn us into Europe. Maybe it’s too late. Maybe we are halfway there.

[Zeitgeist]

Allan,

There are a couple of bright spots in this story: 1) not many people were killed and 2) he used an airplane and not a firearm. If he had shot the people all the gun control nuts would come out of the wood work and start trying to turn us into Europe. Maybe it’s too late. Maybe we are halfway there.

[Zeitgeist]

Allan,

There are a couple of bright spots in this story: 1) not many people were killed and 2) he used an airplane and not a firearm. If he had shot the people all the gun control nuts would come out of the wood work and start trying to turn us into Europe. Maybe it’s too late. Maybe we are halfway there.

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Please. America needs to take a deep breath, untwist our little knickers and grow up. This kind of pathetic whelping is exactly why we have this childish dependence on Big Government to protect us from all the evils of the big, bad world.
[/quote]

We do? All this time I have depended on two fine austrians to do that…

Sig and Sauer.

😛

CE[/quote]

CE: Hoo-ah. Personally, I like Mr. Remington, backed up by Mr. Glock (in .45ACP).

I’ve owned a couple of Sigs in my time, but there’s something about a .45 with a 13+1 capacity that just warms the cockles of my evil little heart. Especially when those 14 rounds are 230gr Hydra-Shoks.[/quote]

You can take a man out with the shock wave alone from that thing…

I went the middle route between awesome power and controlabilty…. .40 Cal… and I carry the .357 Sig round too…

By the way the .357 Sig is a hot little round with not much more loss in accuracy than the forty..

As for that guy… He killed innocent ppl… no excuse for that…

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Please. America needs to take a deep breath, untwist our little knickers and grow up. This kind of pathetic whelping is exactly why we have this childish dependence on Big Government to protect us from all the evils of the big, bad world.
[/quote]

We do? All this time I have depended on two fine austrians to do that…

Sig and Sauer.

😛

CE[/quote]

CE: Hoo-ah. Personally, I like Mr. Remington, backed up by Mr. Glock (in .45ACP).

I’ve owned a couple of Sigs in my time, but there’s something about a .45 with a 13+1 capacity that just warms the cockles of my evil little heart. Especially when those 14 rounds are 230gr Hydra-Shoks.[/quote]

You can take a man out with the shock wave alone from that thing…

I went the middle route between awesome power and controlabilty…. .40 Cal… and I carry the .357 Sig round too…

By the way the .357 Sig is a hot little round with not much more loss in accuracy than the forty..

As for that guy… He killed innocent ppl… no excuse for that…

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Please. America needs to take a deep breath, untwist our little knickers and grow up. This kind of pathetic whelping is exactly why we have this childish dependence on Big Government to protect us from all the evils of the big, bad world.
[/quote]

We do? All this time I have depended on two fine austrians to do that…

Sig and Sauer.

😛

CE[/quote]

CE: Hoo-ah. Personally, I like Mr. Remington, backed up by Mr. Glock (in .45ACP).

I’ve owned a couple of Sigs in my time, but there’s something about a .45 with a 13+1 capacity that just warms the cockles of my evil little heart. Especially when those 14 rounds are 230gr Hydra-Shoks.[/quote]

You can take a man out with the shock wave alone from that thing…

I went the middle route between awesome power and controlabilty…. .40 Cal… and I carry the .357 Sig round too…

By the way the .357 Sig is a hot little round with not much more loss in accuracy than the forty..

As for that guy… He killed innocent ppl… no excuse for that…

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Please. America needs to take a deep breath, untwist our little knickers and grow up. This kind of pathetic whelping is exactly why we have this childish dependence on Big Government to protect us from all the evils of the big, bad world.
[/quote]

We do? All this time I have depended on two fine austrians to do that…

Sig and Sauer.

😛

CE[/quote]

CE: Hoo-ah. Personally, I like Mr. Remington, backed up by Mr. Glock (in .45ACP).

I’ve owned a couple of Sigs in my time, but there’s something about a .45 with a 13+1 capacity that just warms the cockles of my evil little heart. Especially when those 14 rounds are 230gr Hydra-Shoks.[/quote]

You can take a man out with the shock wave alone from that thing…

I went the middle route between awesome power and controlabilty…. .40 Cal… and I carry the .357 Sig round too…

By the way the .357 Sig is a hot little round with not much more loss in accuracy than the forty..

As for that guy… He killed innocent ppl… no excuse for that…

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