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CardiffBaseball
ParticipantI have seen at least two articles now talking about the massive support he seems to be getting in my home area, Youngstown, Ohio.
When I grew up, even if you were conservative you registered Democrat if nothing else to have some say-so in the primary process. Yet Trump kicked the ass of John Kasich in that part of Ohio during the primary even though Kasich won the state. Trump as 2nd place finisher, received more votes than the winner. Trump’s 35% 2nd place finish was good for 727,500 to Kasich’s 956,750 (Approx) or close to 47%. Hillary took Ohio with 679,000 to 513,500 for Bernie.
Keeping in mind Trump could very easily flip Ohio, NC and FLA I’m really surprised the amateur political scientists on here, are not at least a little concerned. He was a distant 2nd and still got a lot more votes. I am looking at some professor’s model who predicts races based on contested primaries, early in the race to see where the passion and energy is. I don’t know how his predictor works during say 2012 where Obama was unopposed. My guess is his model is only worth a damn in years like this.
In any case I can’t see how anyone on either side can spike footballs at this point. You could literally see this come down to something like Nevada, Colorado, etc.
I’m wondering if that NeoCon leading Utah will end up winning that state. While this year is ugly as hell I’ve also had more fun than I’ve ever had. Happenings all the time. Wikileaks, Guccifer, Guccifer 2.0, Private recordings, strange alliances. Thoroughly entertaining.
ParticipantPopped in for peek at the site haven’t been here in a while.
Facebook – Virtue Signaling. As I look through my timeline, I’d have to say Trump>Hillary, but not a blowout. First of all I’m white and more of my friends tend to be considering I grew up in industrial NE Ohio. Because of where I grew up, and my time in San Diego I’d say I have a more liberal white timeline than the typical person from Florida. Still, not much passion amongst them.
Now as to the Virtue Signaling… Most of have that group of people who post about how much they can’t stand either candidate and yet never seem to pay any attention to Johnson/Stein. Most of these people are going to vote. Many are blue-collar, no higher degree types. What do they do when they walk into the booth?
In a year where polling data shows a lot of dissatisfaction with the status quo do they pull the lever for the change candidate? Or do they just say keep it the way it is? My instinct tells me if these folks were pro-Hillary they’d be more vocal about it.
SD friends are split down the middle. Latino friends largely silent as are black friends. Asian friends leaning Trump, but my friend list is not a real barometer, I’m just passing along my anecdotal social media timeline.
ParticipantIntolerance by Tool.
Although who knows perhaps this Congress is not getting sucked in.
Or Foo Fighters Learn to Fly. A couple of lines kind of spoke to me though it has nothing to do with a Syrian War:
Hook me up a new revolution
Cause this one is a lie
We sat around laughing and watched the last one dieParticipantTwo more days until I drop off my kid for school. #1 Liberal Arts School in US News (for this region anyway). Nice school but…… just a little too lefty for his taste (Libertarian). He’s already noticed one of the professors he has this semester has written extensively in support of ObamaCare. I told him be careful about arguing with these folks. Read the professor and figure out if she encourages diverse thought. If not, shut your mouth and get through the class. Or, if a professor loves to encourage the debate then fire away.
ParticipantAt the risk of sounding childish, the media not mentioning race is kind of ….childish.
I mean how long does it take a kid to learn? “dad, why didn’t they ever say the color of these kids who beat that guy into a coma”. Me: “Son you just don’t fucking get it do you…. Don’t ever ask me that question again”.
Ha. No I said kid, it’s been that way for a long time. I don’t know why it is, and why we can’t tell it like it is, but that’s how it is.
ParticipantI think we can all agree with each passing generation there is less and less blatant racism, today’s kids are far more likely to cross-marry amongst different races, more of them grew up together hanging out etc.
Yet, being at basically ground zero here, of the event, I found myself dumbfounded listening to the black marchers. I mean I really truly just cannot empathize with many of them. When I see a 300+ lb. woman screaming bloody murder at the top of her lungs about “dey huntin’ our kids, dey huntin’ our kids”. I just can’t even have a discussion with her, because I happen to think she’s a f-in moron to think that. How can I possibly begin to have a dialogue with this person, when I have no respect for their point of view, which statistically speaking is absolutely silly.
Another area that I find to show I am lacking empathy, is my general indignation towards those who blew this story up. First the story came down that it was some crazy-ass giant cracker hunting down an teeny angel who was off buying candy. Then we find they doctored the photos to “whiten” GZ up. The we find out the so-called racist stuff he said on the 911 call was doctored by MSNBC. Then we find out Trayvon was actually kicking the shit out of the little chubby brown guy errrrrr….”white hispanic”. and I am not even getting into what items he purchased, the fact that Trayvon wanted to get a little buzz on doesn’t bother me.
In any case my white guilt meter is tapped out at this point and along comes the trial. Any decent defense lawyer wins that case easily, anyone with a two-bit knowledge of law knows it. Yet, despite all that, did Sharpton ever once acknowledge any of the above that might have led to not guilty? (Or Jesse). Not at all, not once. They continue to speak in tones designed to enrage people.
What dialogue can we possibly have?
ParticipantStuff is happening more and more.
The key is if you are in a place with a bunch of teen males you should be automatically suspicious. If I see four white kids on the walking trail by my house, I am watching them closely until we pass, and after. I mean I am polite, and all, say “hey guys, what’s up” it’s just that I am looking the group over to make sure they seem ok. It’s just how I roll right or wrong…
Similarly if there is a group of black teen males you should be even more suspicious because the rate of violent crimes amongst that demographic group is an order of magnitude higher.. You should have a sixth sense not to go walking into crowds like this. Not saying this guy deserved it at all. Just saying I would probably not walk into a big group like that.
ParticipantHmmm either I had a post deleted or it didn’t post because my 2nd post was the Joe Kennedy tidbit.
Aww Screw it, the media didn’t spend one second debating this last night. Would love to see Rove against Amash, but why would Fox do that.
My point had been this. After the vote I scanned a few right-wing boards, and reddit, which was very left-wing but the tone of reddit has gone anti-Obama after the Snowden affair.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen one issue where every person following the damn vote was not completely irate. Didn’t matter what political persuasion you were. You could find anyone defending this vote. This vote might actually destroy the GOP. Luckily with zero media coverage only a few of us in the know were aware, so that might save some, but Reps are already being targeted.
ParticipantLove this one:
In Mass, every rep from the state voted with Amash except for:
Joe KennedyRarely do you see a time when leadership from both parties are in lock-step
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Cardiff: Now, imagine for a second you’re a second-term president and that you’re beset on all sides with a variety of problems, both domestic and foreign policy related. Your strategy is not only being called into question by your opponents in the GOP, but erstwhile allies in your own party.
Your approval numbers are sinking, you’re facing the admittedly difficult implementation of your signature piece of legislation (which is highly unpopular with the populace at large) and you’re heading into the mid-terms where a lackluster base is the norm and not the exception.
How would one fire up a key segment of that base? A key segment that self-identifies with this particular president based on race?[/quote]
There is that. No sense talking about Ben Ghazi, IRS, Snowden, NSA, TSA snooping. Answering no questions is wise at this point.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I hear that Ann Arbor is nice.
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Ann Arbor is a whore.
Go Bucks
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=CardiffBaseball]
As far as the stuff on profiling, I find it’s somewhat idiotic for him to mention that, but I also understand he’s got to show some street-cred here. Cardiff understands the way the game is played, and right now I am content to give him a pass on this. I think he did enough to say “brothers I am with you in spirit” while at the same time tipping his hat, that this is probably over at the Federal level.[/quote]I don’t think it was idiotic at all. I think it was essential for those who haven’t experienced it to understand the context of the reaction of the black community to the Martin killing. It happens every day in this country, probably thousands of times. Black men are stopped by police and others under the color of authority solely because they are black. Purses get clutched a little tighter, car doors get locked when a black man walks by. It happens in Florida, it happens in NYC, it happens in Carmel Valley. It’s overt racism, and it’s demeaning, demoralizing and insulting.[/quote]
God Bless you, you are a saint, fighting the good fight and telling us all how wrong it is. Great, wonderful. Now, what the fuck does that have to do with the George Zimmerman case, that the leader of the free world sees fit to bring it up, rather than bore us with stuff like how we as Americans accept the rule of law, american judiciary system etc. etc. None of that.
Now, if I seem harsh let me say this, I don’t BLAME Obama for saying it. Sure the logical side of me says it’s idiotic because he’s using the Zimmerman case as a platform to tell us how wrong it is to profile…. When there was zero evidence of racial profiling.
However, I am not that mad about it, like I said “Cardiff understand how the game is played”
Obama has to use this opportunity to earn street cred. Play along and Imagine for a second if he walked out on the White House Lawn and said “Sorry the DOJ will not be filing any Civil Rights Lawsuit against George Zimmerman since extensive background investigations concluded this action was not motivated by race.”
He would be raked over the coals by the leftist black leaders. With this speech he comes out in full support, and appears to be with them in spirit and wisely doesn’t answer questions. Marches will go on all day, everyone lets off a little steam, and Monday we all go back to work.
Only the logic side of me says it’s idiotic because the context to make the statement is lacking. As a matter fact the entire outrage about this incident is frankly so stupid it defies all sense of reason. It’s if people were itching for a fight. Don’t try to compare Trayvon to riding in the backs of buses or using alternate water fountains, it’s not gonna fly. Most non-blacks I talk to the White-Guilt meter is on empty.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]Obama enters the discussion, no doubt in part to deflect attention from Benghazi and other issues.[/quote]
Paramount: While I don’t disagree that Obama & Co. are undoubtedly welcoming this as a distraction, I will personally say that I found his remarks very sincere and made in the spirit of unity.
Given the off-the-cuff nature of the remarks, it was even more impressive. I don’t have much love for the man, especially due to his policies, but he was a national leader in that speech.[/quote]
I agree with this basically.
– He was very careful not to stake out a position with regard to the trial outcome while appearing to at least sympathize with family and show that he wasn’t pleased with the outcome.
– In a gentile way perhaps it was probably a big heads-up to the folks still race-baiting that there is no way the DOJ can bring a Civil Rights lawsuit against Zimmerman. It’s been show over and over the guy isn’t a racist and no sense wasting everyone’s time yet again.I might have preferred him to mention more about this being a nation of laws, having our day in court, etc. But he didn’t.
That said there is a lot of mumbling out there about this weekend, if there does happen to be some smash and grab violence/vandalism he might be asked why he didn’t say more.
As far as the stuff on profiling, I find it’s somewhat idiotic for him to mention that, but I also understand he’s got to show some street-cred here. Cardiff understands the way the game is played, and right now I am content to give him a pass on this. I think he did enough to say “brothers I am with you in spirit” while at the same time tipping his hat, that this is probably over at the Federal level.
ParticipantI would say this is a case where some white teens were messing around at 3:30 AM, a black man armed himself went outside and confronted them.
According to him, one charged and he shot him twice, the jury agreed with his team and he was acquitted. It wasn’t in Florida but that shouldn’t matter, I would assume most in our gun culture would clearly take the side of the shooter.
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
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