ot; trayvon martin

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]I think Charles Barkley nailed it regarding this case.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/18/charles_barkley_on_zimmerman_trial_i_agree_with_the_verdict.html%5B/quote%5D

I always have like Charles, but what Charles didn’t say is that if he were in the same situation he probably would have profiled Trayvon too. I think under some circumstances he would say that but this is a very bad one to do that in.

It’s almost like people expect everyone not to profile some one as criminal once it is noticed that they are black …that’s pretty stupid. What was Zimmerman supposed to do …”hmmm he’s black, I better not suspect him anymore despite all these robberies and shit “. That sounds like the kind of leeway people expect.

[FlyerInHi]

ctr, the mainstream media is not liberal. It’s mainstream. And it passes judgement as it always has. and I think it reflects mainstream values.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=squat300]
We all come with preconceptions. It is so difficult to start with a clean slate.
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Some would argue that ” you dress like a thug, act like thug, you’re likely a thug.” Change your culture if you don’t want to be profiled.

In the same vein, when I think of the South, something makes my skin crawl. The whole culture, language and attitude give me bad vibes. All the talk about guns, the confederate flag, congressional district gerrymandering make it sound like racist heaven.

[mike92104]

[quote=FlyerInHi]ctr, the mainstream media is not liberal. It’s mainstream. And it passes judgement as it always has. and I think it reflects mainstream values.[/quote]

I think it’s actually fairly liberal, but not because of some grand conspiracy. I think it’s typically just because that industry tends to draw young idealists to it. Unfortunately as a whole, the media industry has simply forgotten how to provide facts without opinion.

[mike92104]

i too think Zimmerman profiled Martin, but not racially. I think any young man wandering around the neighborhood in the rain at 2am is odd and suspicious.

I tend to be up pretty late, and I was sitting on my porch around 1 am having a smoke when a young black kid rode by on a skateboard. I thought it was off he was out so late, but didn’t think anything about it UNTIL he stopped and started to look in someones car window. It happened to be a house who’s car ha been broken into earlier that week. At that point I called the cops. From all the transcripts I have seen, this was very similar to the Zimmerman deal. Now let’s see who calls me a racist.

[njtosd]

[quote=mike92104] Unfortunately as a whole, the media industry has simply forgotten how to provide facts without opinion.[/quote]

Agree whole heartedly.

[scaredyclassic]

if you can stand your ground to shoot someone, cant you stand your ground to punch them?

perhaps its time to get some rules for neighborhood watch groups. like, maybe they should just “watch” and call the cops, and not follow people around with guns.

if a stranger confronts you on the street in an angry or accusatory manner, it’s probably often best to run like hell or hit them as hard as you can first.

[scaredyclassic]

the jury speaks to the Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/in-our-defense-these-were-some-pretty-fuckedup-law,33126/

[NotCranky]

Why didn’t you just say you don’t like the stand your ground law and guns,scaredy? Instead of trolling with all this crap about race and stating obviously incorrect scenarios in reference to George Zimmerman? For all practical purposes George Zimmerman didn’t even have a gun until he was being pounded and could not get the help he was yelling for, and his assailant did not get off of him even at the threat of a call to 911 by a third party.

How do you feel about stand your ground in this case, and the thousands of cases like it, where the assailant actually doesn’t care a damn about a persons life. If her story is true, I wish she would have shot the guy ( except for that it was in a park where kids were at). Very easy to see that the guy could have killed her. Happens all the time. Would he have done it if the victim was a black lesbian instead of white?

http://www.towleroad.com/2013/03/mesquite.html

I remember a story from Florida many years back where this young black woman got in a fender bender on a freeway bridge and a large crowd gathered around while a bunch of people harassed , physically intimidated and taunted her until trying to get away from them she went over a railing to her death. Yeah, I wished she would have shot one of them.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=squat300]
[quote=Blogstar]Scaredy, when did Zimmerman corner Trayvon and start screaming at him for explanations? Who was a witness to that? Where was it recorded. It wasn’t and it isn’t even a likely scenario. It’s not a comparison at all.[/quote]

Ok then. Just a black male adult coming up into the face if a white teen. White teen justified in feeling threatened in a bad drug infested neighborhood when questioned what he’s doing here?[/quote]

Should the white teen be alert? Yes.

Should the white teen be concerned this could turn out really badly? Yes.

Should the white teen feel endanger for his life? No. Not yet.

Should the white teen strike first and start an assault? No.

Standing your ground means you don’t need to run away from trouble, it also doesn’t give you carte blanche to strike first.

Someone figuratively getting in your face and asking what you’re doing ISN’T justification to go to force.

I thought he MIGHT hit me and he was on top and hitting me are two very different things.

[zk]

[quote=squat300]the jury speaks to the Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/in-our-defense-these-were-some-pretty-fuckedup-law,33126/%5B/quote%5D

Wow. The best editorial I’ve seen on this case comes from the Onion.

I only read the Onion occasionally, and usually for its humor. I didn’t know they did editorials (of their own variety). Can regular readers tell me if they have this kind of editorial regularly? Not parodies of newspaper editorials, but actual, meaningful opinions on issues, such as this piece was.

[CardiffBaseball]

I would say this is a case where some white teens were messing around at 3:30 AM, a black man armed himself went outside and confronted them.

According to him, one charged and he shot him twice, the jury agreed with his team and he was acquitted. It wasn’t in Florida but that shouldn’t matter, I would assume most in our gun culture would clearly take the side of the shooter.

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

[Jazzman]

Don’t confront people bigger than you especially if you think they may have criminal intent. That’s what the police are for. Then you won’t need to carry a firearm. Look where it leads.

[jstoesz]

I agree with much of what has been said on both sides of the issue. There is not really a good answer. At the end of the day, sometimes life just sucks, and life isn’t fair. Sometimes some pretty serious stuff just happens.

One thought though. Calling the police usually amounts to just about nothing. I have first hand experience in multiple instances regarding theft of the police’s, either unwillingness or understaffed-ness to do anything at all. Both in CA and in MN. They tend to view the victim of a robbery as just a pain in their butt. A report to write for the stats that just goes down the memory hole.

[UCGal]

[quote=mike92104]i too think Zimmerman profiled Martin, but not racially. I think any young man wandering around the neighborhood in the rain at 2am is odd and suspicious.[/quote]
How about a young man walking home from 7/11 at 7pm. (not 2am).
That’s the actual timeline.

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