ot; trayvon martin

[livinincali]

This is in interesting case when you see how people reacted to it. The logic and facts clearly indicated that Zimmerman was not guilty of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. On the other hand the media clearly built up an emotional response in the public which has led people to believe Zimmerman is guilty because of how they feel. We really don’t want a justice system that determines justice based on feelings.

[FlyerInHi]

Blogstar, I have friends who constantly talk about the opportunity to shot someone in self defense. They think that they are joking, i believe they are dead serious. It’s that kind of culture that leads to tragic accidents.

Obviously these guys are not my close friends as I can only take so much being around those people.

Z is not guilty of 2nd degree murder. But I believe that he’s very much of that culture. He is definitely liable for the loss of life and should pay accordingly.

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]
The dispatcher never asked him to stop following. What she said was “we don’t need you to do that”. He didn’t claim during his police interrogation that he stopped following. And nobody testified during the trial that he stopped following. There was evidence presented that he never stopped following until the physical altercation began.[/quote]

[quote]

Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: OK, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: OK.
Dispatcher: Alright sir, what is your name?
Zimmerman: George. He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
Dispatcher: And George, what’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Dispatcher: Alright George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Alright where you gonna meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse, and uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left. And then they go past the mailboxes. They’ll see my truck.
Dispatcher: OK, what address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman:Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through, so I don’t know the answer.
Dispatcher: OK, do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah.
Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:It’s a home, it’s 1950, ah c— I don’t want to give it out loud, I don’t know where this kid is.[/quote]

Then apparently, Zimmerman is one cool collect sociopath liar.[/quote]

He very well may be a sociopathic liar. But I don’t see any evidence of it there. There is no inconsistency between this transcript and the testimony that Zimmerman continued to follow him after he was told that he didn’t need to follow.

[mike92104]

The simple fact is that it was Martin who assaulted Zimmerman. Until that point, no crime had been committed by anyone.

I’ve also been disgusted by the media reporting on this. I don’t think Zimmerman would have even been arrested if it wasn’t for ll the false reporting by the press trying to spin this as a hate crime.

I definitely feel sorry for Martin and his family. I’m sure Martin had no idea Zimmerman was armed, but I also feel sorry for Zimmerman who has been slandered, libeled, and forced to go through an arrest and trial for a bunch of political BS.

[FlyerInHi]

I don’t have a problem with public pressure. That’s how the world runs.

In the past we has lynch mobs seekIng justice. We had prosecutors prosecuting innocent people just to satisfy the communities’ demands for crime solving.

This is just an event in the arc of history. The notoriety brings about a much needed conversation.

[SD Transplant]

hmmmmmmm…..he’s got some great points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

[Reality]

The prosecution didn’t prove its case. But they never really had a case and the initial review had already concluded that. But political considerations forced it to trial.

Much of the media ought to be ashamed of itself for the coverage. Just one example: Zimmerman a “white Hispanic”. Really?

Is Obama a white African American?

[mike92104]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t have a problem with public pressure. That’s how the world runs.

In the past we has lynch mobs seekIng justice. We had prosecutors prosecuting innocent people just to satisfy the communities’ demands for crime solving.

This is just an event in the arc of history. The notoriety brings about a much needed conversation.[/quote]

Public pressure is one thing, but when it’s being driven by the media misrepresenting the facts,that is a problem. This does highlight a need for conversation, but it’s about the media and their relentless pursuit of ratings that would drive them to try to make an obviously innocent man look guilty to stoke racial tensions when race had nothing to do with it.

[paramount]

Tragic, certainly.

But to be blunt, we have bigger problems: an ever expanding fascist police state, police brutality, endless wars, IRS, Benghazi, questions about Syria, AP/Michael Hastings.

This was a very convenient diversion for Obama.

[Cube]

[quote=livinincali]This is in interesting case when you see how people reacted to it. The logic and facts clearly indicated that Zimmerman was not guilty of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. On the other hand the media clearly built up an emotional response in the public which has led people to believe Zimmerman is guilty because of how they feel. We really don’t want a justice system that determines justice based on feelings.[/quote]

livinincali, you might find this take interesting:

The Zimmerman Verdict: Be Careful What You Wish For

“[T]he more I observe American culture, the less enthused I am at the notion that a jury’s verdict in a criminal case is wrong if it doesn’t reflect the collective beliefs of our society.”

[CA renter]

[quote=livinincali]This is in interesting case when you see how people reacted to it. The logic and facts clearly indicated that Zimmerman was not guilty of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. On the other hand the media clearly built up an emotional response in the public which has led people to believe Zimmerman is guilty because of how they feel. We really don’t want a justice system that determines justice based on feelings.[/quote]

Agreed.

[scaredyclassic]

true. so, you’re a prosecutor somewhere and you hear these facts in Florida.

Older black male is out at night on his porch and sees a young white kid walking down the street who is looking for a half pound of marijuana from a dealer he knows. Black male adult knows the white kid doesn’t belong there, and is sick of white kids coming to his neighborhood and fostering the drug trade. Black male adult starts following white kid, who gets freaked out. Black male adult yells “hey you, what the fuck are you doing in my ‘hood? Yeah you, stop and explain what the fuck you are doing here!”

Black male adult corners white teen; teen starts frantically punching the black male. Black male adult is losing the fight when he reaches into his waistband, pulls out a saturday ngiht special and blasts the white kid away. White kid is an honors student in a local white neighborhood who had been accepted to an Ivy League school and was trying to score drugs for a going away party for all his friends, whoa re also goign to ivy league schools.

black male was dressed in gang-like attire; white kid was dressed in preppy button down and khakis and arrived in his physician dad’s lexus.

Question: Is the black guy here as innocent as Zimmerman? Clearly the white kid here was more blameworthy in terms of his criminal intent for being in the location. But what about the black male. We definitely don’t want “feelings” to intrude, only facts…

Bonus points: you’re the prosecutor. Do you think it will be easier to get a conviction on the above facts than on George Z.?

[livinincali]

[quote=squat300]
Question: Is the black guy here as innocent as Zimmerman? Clearly the white kid here was more blameworthy in terms of his criminal intent for being in the location. But what about the black male. We definitely don’t want “feelings” to intrude, only facts…

Bonus points: you’re the prosecutor. Do you think it will be easier to get a conviction on the above facts than on George Z.?[/quote]

Hopefully the jury would come to the same conclusion and find him innocent. Or some appeals judge would eventually come to that conclusion.

[scaredyclassic]

What if the white teen was only in the neighborhood to help a disabled black kid as part of a big brother program? Change anything? I know you think the black guy here with the unregistered gun was within his rights to chase down the white teen who looked out of place…,but do you think the black guys trial odds look good?

Appeals courts reverse only a tiny percentage of cases and only deal with legal errors not issues of fact, which are for the jury to decide.

[SK in CV]

[quote=squat300]What if the white teen was only in the neighborhood to help a disabled black kid as part of a big brother program? Change anything? I know you think the black guy here with the unregistered gun was within his rights to chase down the white teen who looked out of place…,but do you think the black guys trial odds look good?

Appeals courts reverse only a tiny percentage of cases and only deal with legal errors not issues of fact, which are for the jury to decide.[/quote]

The trial odds, at least in Florida, aren’t near as good for the black defendant as the white defendant, if he ends up with an all white jury. A single African American on the jury, and his odds are about the same.

http://today.duke.edu/2012/04/jurystudy

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