ot; trayvon martin

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Squat’s point was that people don’t decide based on objective cold facts alone.

As you said, CAr, the way people look and behave affect how others feel about facts.

My friend told me a couple days ago that Bob Filner just looks like a sexual predator. She would not trust her kids anywhere near him. Fair or not?[/quote]

All too often, intuition is the only thing that will protect you from a sexual or other violent attack. I can’t blame a mother for going with her “feelings” when it comes to protecting her kids. I do it all the time, too, as I’m sure most other mothers do. Whether that’s fair or not doesn’t really matter to most of us.

And this leads right back around to “racism” and criminal appearance…

[scaredyclassic]

I’m not judging your mothers intuition when used in your life. Not at all.

I am judging the use of such intuition when deciding facts at trial.

To say one is being fair is at the very least to acknowledge the potential for bias in having such intuitions creep into ones judgment.

We all come with preconceptions. It is so difficult to start with a clean slate.

Guns, fear, prejudice, intuition, testosterone, protecting turf and especially HOAs — a toxic combo!

[ctr70]

First of all, the liberal media handling of this was a total disgrace assuming guilt before GZ had his trail & whipping up all this emotion. Also, Obama’s comment that if he had a son he would look like TM alluded to a assumption of GZ guilt before he had his trial and all the facts came in. Talk about jumping to conclusions, and this is the president of the U.S.! Way to be a leader and divide the country Barack!

The justice system in America works on EVIDENCE not EMOTION and SPECULATION. All this knee jerk liberal horseshit that “if TM was white it wouldn’t have happened” or this or that…is all BS speculation. There is NO evidence to support any of that crap. All that matters in the end is if the jury thought GZ acted in self-defense. That is IT. That is ALL that matters. None of this conjecture garbage about racial profiling this or that. The jury members sat in that courtroom through every bit of that trial, the prosecution helped pick them, and they thought long and hard and made a decision BASED ON THE EVIDENCE. End of story.

[ctr70]

And about all this nonsense about “we need a discussion on race in this country”…what another giant load of liberal drivel! The only discussion that needs to happen is within the black community. 90% of black murders victims are committed by other blacks. Blacks are 13% of the U.S. population but commit 50%+ of the murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The George Zimmerman’s of the world are not the problem folks!

This case is just a giant smoke screen for Al Sharpton, NAACP and the liberal media once again to distract everyone from the real issue, which is personal responsibility in the black community. Why isn’t the NAACP “demonstrating” when thousands of blacks get gunned down by other blacks every year in U.S. cities? 75% of black households are fatherless, why isn’t the NAACP and AL Sharpton talking about that? If your going to make babies how about sticking around and raising the kids? Instead of this endless shifting the blame off yourself on to “white racism” or the “American criminal justice system”.

Civil-rights leaders today choose to keep the focus on white racism instead of personal responsibility, but their predecessors knew better. A quote from MLK below:

“Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we’ve got to do something about our moral standards,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961
“We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.”

[NotCranky]

Scaredy, when did Zimmerman corner Trayvon and start screaming at him for explanations? Who was a witness to that? Where was it recorded. It wasn’t and it isn’t even a likely scenario. It’s not a comparison at all.

[FlyerInHi]

Making babies is incidental and accidental to having sex.

Want lower pregnancy rates? Give out free birth control, paid for by the government at every convenience store, and free abortion clinics, no questions asked in every community That cost could be a fraction of the social costs we pay for today.

Use scientific facts and do what works, or let feelings get in the way?

[SD Realtor]

I think Charles Barkley nailed it regarding this case.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/18/charles_barkley_on_zimmerman_trial_i_agree_with_the_verdict.html

[scaredyclassic]

I concur with Barkley. Maybe he should be ambassador to north Korea.

[outtamojo]

I bet Barkely woulda beat Zimmerman’s @ss too.

[scaredyclassic]

[ quote=Blogstar]Scaredy, when did Zimmerman corner Trayvon and start screaming at him for explanations? Who was a witness to that? Where was it recorded. It wasn’t and it isn’t even a likely scenario. It’s not a comparison at all.[/quote]

Ok then. Just a black male adult coming up into the face if a white teen. White teen justified in feeling threatened in a bad drug infested neighborhood when questioned what he’s doing here?

[svelte]

[quote=squat300]
Guns, fear, prejudice, intuition, testosterone, protecting turf and especially HOAs — a toxic combo![/quote]

Take the capital “A” out of that sentence and it sounds like what a gang member’s weekend would be like, from what I read. 🙂

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=ctr70]First of all, the liberal media handling of this was a total disgrace assuming guilt before GZ had his trail & whipping up all this emotion. Also, Obama’s comment that if he had a son he would look like TM alluded to a assumption of GZ guilt before he had his trial and all the facts came in. Talk about jumping to conclusions, and this is the president of the U.S.! Way to be a leader and divide the country Barack!

The justice system in America works on EVIDENCE not EMOTION and SPECULATION. All this knee jerk liberal horseshit that “if TM was white it wouldn’t have happened” or this or that…is all BS speculation. There is NO evidence to support any of that crap. All that matters in the end is if the jury thought GZ acted in self-defense. That is IT. That is ALL that matters. None of this conjecture garbage about racial profiling this or that. The jury members sat in that courtroom through every bit of that trial, the prosecution helped pick them, and they thought long and hard and made a decision BASED ON THE EVIDENCE. End of story.[/quote]

On the one hand you’re right. Guilt or innocence are really meaningless without a verdict. The verdict alone matters.

On the other hand, there’s got to be more to the discussion. If my kid were writing a report on to kill a mockingbird, and he wrote jury found him guilty end of story, I might send it back for a rewrite.

[NotCranky]

[quote=squat300][ quote=Blogstar]Scaredy, when did Zimmerman corner Trayvon and start screaming at him for explanations? Who was a witness to that? Where was it recorded. It wasn’t and it isn’t even a likely scenario. It’s not a comparison at all.[/quote]

Ok then. Just a black male adult coming up into the face if a white teen. White teen justified in feeling threatened in a bad drug infested neighborhood when questioned what he’s doing here?[/quote]

[ctr70]

The other thing is the racial make up of this country has changed dramatically over the past 20,30, 40+ years. But the old relics and dinosaurs of the civil rights past like Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, liberal media haven’t realized this. They still see the U.S. in the lens of a 1950’s white majority vs. a black minority and try to jump on and exploit any conflict issues that involve whites & blacks (Duke Lacrosse incident, Zimmerman, etc..). The fact is blacks aren’t even the largest minority anymore. Hispanics are 18%, blacks 13% and Asians 6% of the population. Whites are now only a little over 60% of the U.S. population and that continues to change rapidly. We also have a black president (or should I say “white-black”) and a black attorney general.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=squat300][ quote=Blogstar]Scaredy, when did Zimmerman corner Trayvon and start screaming at him for explanations? Who was a witness to that? Where was it recorded. It wasn’t and it isn’t even a likely scenario. It’s not a comparison at all.[/quote]

Ok then. Just a black male adult coming up into the face if a white teen. White teen justified in feeling threatened in a bad drug infested neighborhood when questioned what he’s doing here?[/quote][/quote]

Not pertinent your honor. I am not sure what the person is justified in feeling or how it has anything to do with this case. But he is not justified in trying to beat the hell out of the other man. As a teenager I would try to keep a distance if this imposing person was unreasonable, run if I had to.

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