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Participant[quote=weberlin]
The ‘Muslim world’ you are referring to is the radical right wing, utra-conservative, hyper-religious element based largely in the Middle East and North Africa. Namely, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and the House of Saud.[/quote]
Unfortunately, some of the elements listed are very wealthy and very influential.
Participant[quote=weberlin]
The ‘Muslim world’ you are referring to is the radical right wing, utra-conservative, hyper-religious element based largely in the Middle East and North Africa. Namely, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and the House of Saud.[/quote]
Unfortunately, some of the elements listed are very wealthy and very influential.
Participant[quote=weberlin]
The ‘Muslim world’ you are referring to is the radical right wing, utra-conservative, hyper-religious element based largely in the Middle East and North Africa. Namely, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and the House of Saud.[/quote]
Unfortunately, some of the elements listed are very wealthy and very influential.
Participant[quote=weberlin]
The ‘Muslim world’ you are referring to is the radical right wing, utra-conservative, hyper-religious element based largely in the Middle East and North Africa. Namely, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and the House of Saud.[/quote]
Unfortunately, some of the elements listed are very wealthy and very influential.
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]
Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5DI would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.
I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]
Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5DI would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.
I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]
Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5DI would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.
I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]
Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5DI would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.
I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=captcha] I’m starting to doubt that the Enlightenment can be enforced upon groups en masse. Voltaire and Rousseau need to come from within.[/quote]
Actually, they had their Enlightenment hundreds of years earlier. Of course the Arabs built on Greek(as well as Chinese and Indian) thought, as all knowledge is cumulative, but their additions made quantum leaps forward in all the sciences. Europe’s Enlightenment was built on Arab thinking much more than Greeks. Of course, this really irks some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age%5B/quote%5DI would say it was more Renaissance, not Enlightenment. And there is little or no continuity there, Seljuks did not truly embrace what they conquered.
I use the discrepancy in male and female literacy rate as a measure of gender equality and most of the Arab countries do bad on that test.
Participant[quote=briansd1]
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Participant[quote=briansd1]
Personally, I feel that that Kaffiyeh I an option that I don’t have thanks to the controversy over religion.http://www.rei.com/product/749205
http://www.rei.com/product/708136
http://www.rei.com/product/795921
[/quote]Few people I know wear something like this. My wife has a couple of tennis hats like that. I use spare t-shirt instead. Wear it with pride 🙂
Participant[quote=briansd1]
Personally, I feel that that Kaffiyeh I an option that I don’t have thanks to the controversy over religion.http://www.rei.com/product/749205
http://www.rei.com/product/708136
http://www.rei.com/product/795921
[/quote]Few people I know wear something like this. My wife has a couple of tennis hats like that. I use spare t-shirt instead. Wear it with pride 🙂
Participant[quote=briansd1]
Personally, I feel that that Kaffiyeh I an option that I don’t have thanks to the controversy over religion.http://www.rei.com/product/749205
http://www.rei.com/product/708136
http://www.rei.com/product/795921
[/quote]Few people I know wear something like this. My wife has a couple of tennis hats like that. I use spare t-shirt instead. Wear it with pride 🙂
Participant[quote=briansd1]
Personally, I feel that that Kaffiyeh I an option that I don’t have thanks to the controversy over religion.http://www.rei.com/product/749205
http://www.rei.com/product/708136
http://www.rei.com/product/795921
[/quote]Few people I know wear something like this. My wife has a couple of tennis hats like that. I use spare t-shirt instead. Wear it with pride 🙂
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