OT: parenting and the santa barbara shooter

[zk]

[quote=Blogstar]When something is so self evident , like a rock falling on your head, inference is not such a bad thing. Given that ubringing is at least one undeniable component, I find the defensiveness interesting….moreover, it just seem like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or something, so I forgive you.[/quote]

Thanks, but I don’t need your forgiveness.

You see controlling and crankiness and defensiveness where there is none. I’m merely pointing out the numerous flaws in your arguments.

Yes, it is self evident that upbringing is one undeniable component. But your argument seems to be that it’s the chief component. That is not only not self-evident, but you’ve shown no good evidence or logic for that argument at all. All I’m doing is pointing out that lack of evidence and logic.

[NotCranky]

Are you done critiquing the many flaws in my two sentence post now?

1 ” I agree with that summary”

2 ‘ The boy had a terrible upbringing”

Yes, Good I am glad that’s over.

No, OMG.

[zk]

[quote=Blogstar]Are you done critiquing the many flaws in my two sentence post now?

1 ” I agree with that summary”

2 ‘ The boy had a terrible upbringing”

[/quote]

My critiques were with those two sentences, their relation to your previous arguments, and to your subsequent arguments.

[quote=Blogstar]

Yes, Good I am glad that’s over.

No, OMG.[/quote]

If this is all too much for you, perhaps you should change your handle.

[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=Blogstar]Are you done critiquing the many flaws in my two sentence post now?

1 ” I agree with that summary”

2 ‘ The boy had a terrible upbringing”

[/quote]

My critiques were with those two sentences, their relation to your previous arguments, and to your subsequent arguments.

[quote=Blogstar]

Yes, Good I am glad that’s over.

No, OMG.[/quote]

If this is all too much for you, perhaps you should change your handle.[/quote]

I have never taken the blogstar name very seriously.

I had politely told you two weeks ago that i didn’t care to get into it with you. It’s not my fault if you can’t take “no” for an answer.

[NotCranky]

[quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/

good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]
Bump

[SK in CV]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/

good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]
Bump[/quote]

I agree with the conclusion. It has nothing at all to do with parenting, and everything to do with his innate inability to develop social skills necessary to “navigate the land mines of American culture”.

[scaredyclassic]

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dispatches/2014/05/i_could_have_been_elliot_rodger_young_frustrated_and_full_of_rage_toward.html

elliot rodger is us.

[njtosd]

[quote=zk][quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/

good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]

I agree with that summary. The boy had a terrible upbringing.[/quote]

That seems like a non sequitur. That summary didn’t say he had a terrible upbringing.

You seem fixated on his upbringing. Yes, his upbringing was far from perfect. But I’d say it was far from “terrible” also. I don’t think his upbringing was that much different from millions of other Americans. Which is to say not good, but not terrible, and maybe not as protected from all the “poison pill[s] our culture could throw at him” as it could and should have been.

His problems were a combination of his inborn mental issues, his upbringing, and our culture. To blame it all or even mostly on his upbringing seems, to me, to ignore the evidence and show a preexisting bias toward blaming it on his upbringing.

I think the clearest evidence of your bias is that you could read that article and somehow infer that it said he had a terrible upbringing. The article says almost nothing at all about his upbringing.[/quote]
+1

[NotCranky]

I know it is tasteless to attach blame his parents and it is going to infuriate a lot of people if one does that. Trust me I am not likely to go public and stand my ground to mobs of random people. Probably get killed for it.

[zk]

[quote=Blogstar]I know it is tasteless to attach blame his parents and it is going to infuriate a lot of people if one does that. Trust me I am not likely to go public and stand my ground to mobs of random people. Probably get killed for it.[/quote]

Taste has nothing to do with it. And I don’t see anyone furious. I just see some people who disagree. And given a lack of sound reasoning or evidence backing your position, why wouldn’t they?

[FlyerInHi]

I have no interest in reading his manifesto or dig deeper…

From what I understand, Elliot Rodger certainly had mental issues.

But didn’t his parents indulge him with brand name luxury products thereby teaching him to value glam over all else? He wanted a glam life with a trophy girlfriend. Couldn’t have it so he hated the world and went crazy.

[SK in CV]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I have no interest in reading his manifesto or dig deeper…

From what I understand, Elliot Rodger certainly had mental issues.

But didn’t his parents indulge him with brand name luxury products thereby teaching him to value glam over all else? He wanted a glam life with a trophy girlfriend. Couldn’t have it so he hated the world and went crazy.[/quote]

Is that what a BMW teaches? Everyone that drives a BMW values glam over all else?

He did hate the world. But that hate didn’t make him go crazy. He hated the word because he was crazy.

[FlyerInHi]

Not only the BMW. I read that he was obsessed with designer products from a young age.

I can relate somewhat. When I was in high school and college I wanted expensive stuff but I eventually figured out it wasn’t that important. Nobody taught me but I didn’t have mental problems. Some parents I knew were pretty materialistic which negatively affected their kids.

Not to diminish mental sickness, but maybe different parenting might have made a difference with Eliot Rogers

[scaredyclassic]

maybe any one factor could have made all the difference.

if he’d been raised elsewhere, he would absolutely have been different.

if raised even by different parents, he would be a different animal.

if he weren’t mentally unhinged he’d be different.

everything about him screamed risk factors. any one of them defused maybe coudlve aborted the mission.

[scaredyclassic]

parents cause mental illness.

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