OT: parenting and the santa barbara shooter

[SK in CV]

[quote=CA renter]

You’re right, I brain farted there. Still, where are you getting your numbers from, and how do they account for the people who are not willing to admit to a govt agency or survey taker that they own guns?[/quote]

I did a search on the google and found about 6 articles, I think referring to at least 3, maybe 4 surveys in the last few years. They probably account for the people who won’t admit that they own a gun the same way they account for the people who brag that they own guns and really don’t.

[livinincali]

Here’s a fairly recent gallup poll concerning various gun related questions. This one was done shortly after Sandy Hook (Jan 2013 and Apr 2013).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

From the poll it would appear the democratic majority feels that guns shouldn’t be banned at about a 2 to 1 majority (I.e. 70% to 30%). It also seems to indicate a slight majority for some enhanced gun control, but support for more gun control has been eroding over the past 20 years.

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Girl stabbed 19 times

She could have defended herself with a gun, which she did not have. Then again, she likely would not survive 19 bullet wounds.

[Dukehorn]

[quote=CA renter][quote=ocrenter][quote=ca renter]

edited to add: And this is NOT the kind of police state that concerns me. What concerns me is when soldiers, police forces, and other govt resources are used to spy on innocent civilians and take down anyone who poses any kind of a threat to the existing power structure (including political threats). [/quote]

Based on your logic of “any threat to the existing power structure”, then you’re opposed to the FBI investigating any sort of terrorist threats, threats to public officials, and threats to infrastructure. Try again.

Everyone is “innocent” till proven guilty which means that any sort of investigative resources are initially focused on “innocent” civilians/tourists etc.

[CA renter]

They’ve been broadening the definition of “terrorism” over the past decade or so. Yes, that’s a problem.

[Jazzman]

[quote=ocrenter]

If you actually need to use your gun to protect your liberty, it is already too late.[/quote]

Very good point, but I don’t think all is lost. It’s just the thinking has got some catching up to do. The developed world still hangs on to all kinds of things. Do we need royal families? I guess not if they go around beheading people.

[scaredyclassic]

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/

good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…

[NotCranky]

[quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/

good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]

I agree with that summary. The boy had a terrible upbringing.

[zk]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/

good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]

I agree with that summary. The boy had a terrible upbringing.[/quote]

That seems like a non sequitur. That summary didn’t say he had a terrible upbringing.

You seem fixated on his upbringing. Yes, his upbringing was far from perfect. But I’d say it was far from “terrible” also. I don’t think his upbringing was that much different from millions of other Americans. Which is to say not good, but not terrible, and maybe not as protected from all the “poison pill[s] our culture could throw at him” as it could and should have been.

His problems were a combination of his inborn mental issues, his upbringing, and our culture. To blame it all or even mostly on his upbringing seems, to me, to ignore the evidence and show a preexisting bias toward blaming it on his upbringing.

I think the clearest evidence of your bias is that you could read that article and somehow infer that it said he had a terrible upbringing. The article says almost nothing at all about his upbringing.

[NotCranky]

Yes I am taking a stand on upbringing. I disagree that the article says nothing about that. It says everything about it. The kid was mentally very bad on every single difficult item with life and american culture the article covers that. His upbringing didn’t to a very terrible degree.

Besides that the topic of this thread is ” Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter”
I am just staying on topic.

[zk]

[quote=Blogstar]Yes I am taking a stand on upbringing.
[/quote]

Well, that right there says that you’re emotional about it. And it seems your emotion is getting in the way of a clear assessment of the situation.

[quote=Blogstar]
I disagree that the article says nothing about that. It says everything about it. The kid was mentally very bad on every single difficult item with life and american culture the article covers that. His upbringing didn’t to a very terrible degree. [/quote]

The article says he was “mentally very bad.” It doesn’t say why. It doesn’t say that his upbringing didn’t cover it. How do you know his upbringing “didn’t [cover it] to a very terrible degree?” Where are you getting that information from?

[quote=Blogstar]
Besides that the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter”
I am just staying on topic.[/quote]

I’m all for staying on topic. But just because the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter” doesn’t mean that that’s what the article was about.

[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=Blogstar]Yes I am taking a stand on upbringing.
[/quote]

Well, that right there says that you’re emotional about it. And it seems your emotion is getting in the way of a clear assessment of the situation.

[quote=Blogstar]
I disagree that the article says nothing about that. It says everything about it. The kid was mentally very bad on every single difficult item with life and american culture the article covers that. His upbringing didn’t to a very terrible degree. [/quote]

The article says he was “mentally very bad.” It doesn’t say why. It doesn’t say that his upbringing didn’t cover it. How do you know his upbringing “didn’t [cover it] to a very terrible degree?” Where are you getting that information from?

[quote=Blogstar]
Besides that the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter”
I am just staying on topic.[/quote]

I’m all for staying on topic. But just because the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter” doesn’t mean that that’s what the article was about.[/quote

Whatever.

[NotCranky]

It’s a free thread so I can take a stand right? I don’t agree it’s all “emotion” but there is some of that. Would some passion on an issue such as mass murder be O.K.? Either that or give me a list of things it is and isn’t o.k. to take a stand on.

Am I wrong or are you just being kind of controlling?

I am free to infer from where the mentally very bad comes from and I am doing that .

I was teasing about being on topic.

[zk]

[quote=Blogstar]It’s a free thread so I can take a stand right? I don’t agree it’s all “emotion” but there is some of that. Would some passion on an issue be O.K.? But if I am too emotional for you, just ignore me. Either that or give me a list of things it is and isn’t o.k. to take a stand on. [/quote]

You should’ve stuck with “whatever.” ‘Cause that passive-aggressive bs about a list is worse than “whatever.”

It’s not your emotion that bothers me, it’s your lack of reason. I have no problem with passion, until it gets in the way of reason. Then I do have a problem with it. Passion without reason can be a very dangerous thing.

[quote=Blogstar]

Am I wrong or are you just being kind of controlling?

[/quote]

You’re wrong. Again. But I am very curious how you came to that conclusion.

[quote=Blogstar]I am free to infer from where the mentally very bad comes from and I am doing that . [/quote]

You can infer it came from aliens, but if you have no evidence, it’s not very persuasive.

[NotCranky]

When something is so self evident , like a rock falling on your head, inference is not such a bad thing. Given that ubringing is at least one undeniable component, I find the defensiveness interesting….moreover, it just seem like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or something, so I forgive you.

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