OT: Justice for Alexian Lien: victim of mob beating…

[an]

[quote=CA renter]No need to bring up being Asian, AN. **Anybody** in this position, regardless of race or ethnicity, has the right to flee. And if some dipshit has intentionally blocked the victim’s path so that he can’t flee from criminals who are trying to intimidate and threaten him, then the victim has the right to run over that idiot, period.[/quote]
CAR, I agree with you. It was a “joke” in response to this joke:
[quote=FlyerInHi]The guy who slammed his brakes is not the guy who was run over.
That’s why Gloria will likely get a big settlement.

If Alexian is a business executive he should have good insurance. But wait… He’s Chinese, so maybe he just has the minimum (pardon the joke, flu).[/quote].

[FlyerInHi]

AN, I hope you can take my joke lightly. Some of my Asian friends love to save money and they’re proudly cheap.

Even Flu seems to take it in stride that Asians are bad drivers.

AN, you do realize that “boy” refers to a male servant and here in America it refers mostly to blacks. It’s a put down used in the Deep South.

I believe that in British colonies, boy was commonly used to refer to the indigenous male servants.

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, I don’t think the MSM is liberal. They are mainstream and they represent mainstream opinion of justice and decency. Neither liberal not conservative.[/quote] Not to cause a flame, but it has been shown to have a slightly liberal bent in the US. Fox is the counter to it.. with a conservative bent. Of course the perceived tendency of the media to go liberal or conservative depends upon the tendency of the viewer. A liberal will view mainstream media as middle of the road, and Fox as extreme right. Somewhat visa-versa for conservatives.
[quote=FlyerInHi]
After all, they have businesses to run and they would have competition if they didn’t represent the mainstream. Same goes for Hollywood. [/quote]Why? because of who the viewers are. My S.O. is liberal.. and watches MSM. I tend conservative, I read WSJ, some NYT, a little BBC. It is most profitable for them to tilt the news a little in the liberal direction.
[quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t see why you get all pissed off. Gloria Alred represents the guy in the hospital. He is not the guy who did the beating. Nor is he the guy who brake checked Lien. You go on a rant about Mieses and his father. Did he do anything wrong other than ride with the wrong crowd? Gloria has a job to do. She’s neither liberal nor conservative. [/quote]Not pissed off here. Gloria Alred is known to be liberal – do a search. She also seems to seek out controversial cases. In this case I think she may have bit off something that she should have stayed away from. As for what the guy did.. he stood in front of Liens vehicle, preventing him from leaving. He could of stood to the side, asking everyone else to do likewise.
[quote=FlyerInHi]Btw, Mieses’ rap sheet is not relevant to his being run over.[/quote] Gloria will try to prevent it from coming up in court, but it goes to character and determining intent. – take a look at the rap sheet. I think you will see at least one assault plus somewhere around 21 arrests.

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi]uco, I don’t dispute that the bikers chased the SUV. Some bikers chased and others just followed.[/quote]Why did they follow what is a bad situation going worse? Just break off and report it.
[quote=FlyerInHi]But what caused them to so so (before the video)? We can only presume. The Facebook entry flu posted suggests some biker gangs chase and stop expensive cars to extort money. The facts don’t prove that. [/quote]
I didn’t bring this up.. you did. I made no mention of it. I just very clearly pointed out VC violations in the driving of the motorcycle group. If Lien was driving wildly, hit the throttle and leave him in the dust! You don’t ‘cluster around’ an SUV driver if you are driving a motorcycle. It is simply not safe given the weight difference. The fact that they were clustering around him told me that they figured that Lien was intimidated and not a risk, also probably not a ‘crazy driver’. You don’t drive a motorcycle next to a crazy SUV driver unless you have a death wish. One collision and the motorcycle loses. Your statement is inane! The bikers made a decision to mass around the Range Rover. Remember – if someone gets injured in what is a group activity, particularly an illegal activity: all of the participants can be charged! If Mieses dies, all of the bikers can be charged in Murder or Manslaughter.
[quote=FlyerInHi]There maybe more to it. But I don’t think flu’s conclusions are based on facts. Flu might be right but he’s presuming a lot. Plus his rants make him seem a little wacko.[/quote]No, he is probably a bit pissed off because he could see being in that position. You also seem to be ignoring the video and the activity. The biker in white with black vest never got hit.. he was still on his bike. He also instigated it. There is no justification. Since many of the bikers had running cameras, all they had to do is report it and show the video – done deal – if the Range Rover was truely driving erratically.. but the bikers want to ‘review’ their videos – WRONG! you don’t get to selectively edit evidence.

[ucodegen]

[quote=ocrenter]2. Actual intent of the break check to draw contact is not known. Two possibilities, one is simply they were annoyed he did not move to the side of the road and allow the “Hollywood Stuntz” crew to own the entire highway, the other possibility was they targeted him for a shake down fee because of the luxury SUV.[/quote]I suspect that it was a shakedown.. but really can’t prove it. They made effort to conceal their identities (missing plates, dark visors), and didn’t target the white panel van that was to the right of Lien’s Range Rover. Guy in White Panel van not rich, asian in black Range Rover – he rich and timid eh? You can see the panel van leaving the scene unmolested.

[ucodegen]

[quote=Jazzman]The SUV looks to be too close to a motorcycle in front. The biker in the white shirt seems to be remonstrating with him about it and then stupidly pulls on his brakes too hard probably not giving enough space and time for the SUV to avoid a collision.[/quote]Do you want to be added to the list of idiots? Take a full look at the video. I captured/downloaded it and used a viewer that allowed me to single frame. The guy in white with black vest moved into the SUV drivers lane from the left while parallel and next to the SUV. I even gave the timestamp. Do you want me to go and even get the video frame number of when the guy in white with black vest made the illegal lane change? This is why that guy is currently arrested. Turns out that the charges are very similar to the ones I mentioned.
[quote=Jazzman]The SUV wasn’t the only car on the road so it wasn’t his mere presence. A white van pulls passed just after the altercation.[/quote] No joke.. that is why, combined with the lack of license plates on the bikes and blacked out visors.. that it starts getting suspicious for a likely ‘shakedown’.
[quote=Jazzman]I am a biker and there has always been tension between bikes and cars. 90% of bike accidents are caused by cars (according to the DMV).[/quote]Not from what I have seen. This is piggington.. show data.
What I have seen so far from DMV would seem to indicate otherwise. Still looking for actual statistics, but this does not look good for motorcycle drivers.

Motorcycle drivers had approximately twice as many accidents and convictions as passenger car drivers. The data also revealed motorcycle drivers have a higher accident and conviction rate (per unit of exposure) while driving a motorcycle than a passenger car.

http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/about/profile/rd/r_d_report/Section_4/S4-28.1.pdf

Definitely not good:

In 2010, 79 percent of motorcycle operators involved in fatal collisions were at fault and 57 percent of motorcycle operators involved in injury collisions were at fault.

http://www.ots.ca.gov/OTS_and_Traffic_Safety/Report_Card.asp
Search for part of quote above on page – you’ll find it.

Now you REALLY understand the animosity. Take the rose colored glasses off. You may not be a problem biker, but many of your ‘brothers’ are.

[quote=Jazzman]The question is: as the media circus and litigation hucksters twist and distort will the truth ever emerge?[/quote]It already has.. but you don’t want to accept it.

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi]AN, you do realize that “boy” refers to a male servant and here in America it refers mostly to blacks. It’s a put down used in the Deep South.

I believe that in British colonies, boy was commonly used to refer to the indigenous male servants.[/quote]I do realize what “boy” refers to in certain context. BTW, are we in the Deep South? Is Lien in the Deep South? Is Lien black? What’s the point in bring it up? BTW, British colonies… you mean like Hong Kong?

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi]In the NYC incident, what if a biker had a gun and shot the driver because he “feared for his life” after then driver ran over the other guy?

Btw, I have several guns.[/quote]BTW, I drive a big freakin truck powered by a drag boat engine (big block). All the biker had to do is call it in. Put some throttle to the bike and the Range Rover couldn’t catch them. It would be harder to outrun my truck. Look up ‘Farm Truck’ on youtube. That is what old bigblocks are like when unleashed or tuned. That old red truck is his daily driver, his dog runs shotgun.

By the way, if you instigate a conflict, you can’t then kill claiming you feared for your life. And again, the biker has the option of applying throttle. The defense/fear for ones life needs to be plausible.

[ucodegen]

[quote=no_such_reality]Did you hear that? That was Gloria cash register clocking up another major payday.

Why? Well, the PD was present. An off duty cop was part of the bike group, did nothing and failed to report the incident until Wednesday! Chaching![/quote]That sounds like Allred. Blame the police for not protecting criminals from the consequences of their own bad behavior.

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi]The guy who slammed his brakes is not the guy who was run over.
That’s why Gloria will likely get a big settlement.

If Alexian is a business executive he should have good insurance. But wait… He’s Chinese, so maybe he just has the minimum (pardon the joke, flu).[/quote]From who? He was engaged in illegal activities and can not profit from said activities. He was part of the group blocking, and was himself blocking the Range Rover during the first part of the attack. He is complicit.

I think Allred jumped in w/o doing all the DD.

[ocrenter]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=ocrenter]2. Actual intent of the break check to draw contact is not known. Two possibilities, one is simply they were annoyed he did not move to the side of the road and allow the “Hollywood Stuntz” crew to own the entire highway, the other possibility was they targeted him for a shake down fee because of the luxury SUV.[/quote]I suspect that it was a shakedown.. but really can’t prove it. They made effort to conceal their identities (missing plates, dark visors), and didn’t target the white panel van that was to the right of Lien’s Range Rover. Guy in White Panel van not rich, asian in black Range Rover – he rich and timid eh? You can see the panel van leaving the scene unmolested.[/quote]

but the guy in the white panel van was off to the side. I’m just going with their mentality that they think they “own the road” and therefore may have been pissed off at Lien’s RR for still driving in the middle of “their highway”. But a shakedown is certainly very possible as well.

[ocrenter]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=Jazzman]The SUV looks to be too close to a motorcycle in front. The biker in the white shirt seems to be remonstrating with him about it and then stupidly pulls on his brakes too hard probably not giving enough space and time for the SUV to avoid a collision.[/quote]Do you want to be added to the list of idiots? Take a full look at the video. I captured/downloaded it and used a viewer that allowed me to single frame. The guy in white with black vest moved into the SUV drivers lane from the left while parallel and next to the SUV. I even gave the timestamp. Do you want me to go and even get the video frame number of when the guy in white with black vest made the illegal lane change? This is why that guy is currently arrested. Turns out that the charges are very similar to the ones I mentioned.
[/quote]

would have to agree with ucodegen on this one.

Cruz (the guy that break checked Lien’s RR), was just to the left of Lien’s front wheel, he sped up, moved to the front of Lien’s RR, and did a sudden break check to force contact. It was all caught on video.

If you are driving on I-5, suddenly you are surrounded by 30 bikes, followed by a guy that cuts you off and break check you to force contact and stop you in the middle of the freeway, you wouldn’t be a little bit intimidated?

[no_such_reality]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=FlyerInHi]In the NYC incident, what if a biker had a gun and shot the driver because he “feared for his life” after then driver ran over the other guy?

Btw, I have several guns.[/quote]BTW, I drive a big freakin truck powered by a drag boat engine (big block). All the biker had to do is call it in. Put some throttle to the bike and the Range Rover couldn’t catch them. It would be harder to outrun my truck. Look up ‘Farm Truck’ on youtube. That is what old bigblocks are like when unleashed or tuned. That old red truck is his daily driver, his dog runs shotgun.

By the way, if you instigate a conflict, you can’t then kill claiming you feared for your life. And again, the biker has the option of applying throttle. The defense/fear for ones life needs to be plausible.[/quote]

Mease, the crippled biker, wasn’t breaking any laws and didn’t start any conflict. There is no law against bikes riding together. The police only denied them a permit for Times Square.

Mease did confront Lein, while riding, Mease stopped after any after an accident to render assistance to a downed and injured motorcyclist. Obviously Mease was thinking appropriate, because there were off duty police officers in the group and they weren’t reporting anything.

LOL, cha-ching.

People really need to watch all the videos and realize how much the police aren’t there to protect them and realize just what are society is has become.

The Hollywood Stuntz behavior is really typical.

[outtamojo]

“…Mease stopped after any after an accident to render assistance to a downed and injured motorcyclist… ”

Who was the injured and downed motorcylist Mieses was helping???

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=no_such_reality]Did you hear that? That was Gloria cash register clocking up another major payday.

Why? Well, the PD was present. An off duty cop was part of the bike group, did nothing and failed to report the incident until Wednesday! Chaching![/quote]That sounds like Allred. Blame the police for not protecting criminals from the consequences of their own bad behavior.[/quote]

WOW, I didn’t know that Allred had a license to practice in NY!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/celeb-attorney-allred-work-new-york-article-1.1467977

She apparently was “sworn in” to the NY bar on Wednesday 9/25/13 and the Lien/MC mob incident occurred on Sunday 9/29/13. How convenient!

Am I missing something … except for the fact that Allred is able to get around to where she smells a prospective ($$$) “action” fairly expediently?

What was the reason she sought the right to practice in NY state?

Ohhh, I see now:

…Allred has several cases in New York, including representing more than two dozen people who say they were sexually abused at the elite Horace Mann School. She said she previously received temporary permission to argue cases in the state and joining the bar seemed like a natural next step….

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-27/rights-lawyer-allred-joins-n-y-bar-business-of-law.html

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