OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Rustico] I think there is enough content in my post in this thread for you to see what I mean? The example of the mother from Shadowfax’s link? There are much more severe cases of parents and others messing with the sexuality/gender identity of preschoolers. It’s emotional abuse with an predictible outcome.That kind of thing makes for an indoctrination in my mind. When politics covers this up I call that an indoctrination and a crime.

Kids come into life vunerable as to identity formation and social function in many factors. Kind of like when a soldier goes to war. Homosexuality is a type of PTSD reaction that children acquire to unusual circumstances, subtle and extreme. I don’t want to codify reinforcement of that with Homoagenda and resulting politics based social engineering.

Homosexuals should have the same protections as anyone, else but promotion via a special class because of an acquired “identity” is wrong, even if most of them can’t change, or are thrilled to be gay.[/quote]

No, no, no. Kids aren’t vulnerable to indoctrination regarding sexual orientation. My family background is a rebuttal to your theory. My sister and I have different fathers, but the same mother. I am straight (and never had any interest in same gender) and she is a lesbian. Not irrefutable proof of genetics but definitely not a datapoint for “nurture.”

Let’s except out the victims of incest or other abuse, because that is not what we are talking about here. That is a class all it’s own.

In cases where people independently identify, you have a wide range of childhood experiences. I can’t quote you a study, but I am sure I could find one, but from my own life experience, there are tons of examples of gay men, for instance, who played football or cops and robbers as children or participated in other “manly” activities with moms and dads who expected them to be and act straight. Some enjoyed these activities/upbringing and it had no influence on their sexual preference. Others experienced this it in a reverse of what you are saying–to please their parents and society to seem more masculine, even though they never found much enjoyment in it. Maybe they even got married to a woman and had a couple kids to persuade everyone, even themselves, that they were straight. But later in life, many of these men (in this example) will tell you that they always liked the same-gender, even though they tried hard not to (counseling, hormone therapy).

So if the reverse-indoctrination doesn’t work for a gay guy/girl trying to be straight, do you really think “gay indoctrination” (whether intentional or subtle) works on someone who is trending toward heterosexuality? I just don’t see it in my experience.

[Ren]

Whenever I read of a study of gay vs non-gay physiology – and there have been several – there is usually compelling evidence (if not outright proof) which indicates that the vast majority of gay people are born that way. Specific areas of the gay brain are sized and “wired” like the opposite gender’s, not like the straight version of their own gender.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

In my mind it’s sort of like evolution. Sure, it’s still just a theory, but if you don’t “believe” in it, you’re most likely an idiot (or choosing to remain ignorant, which is the same thing).

[Ren]

Whenever I read of a study of gay vs non-gay physiology – and there have been several – there is usually compelling evidence (if not outright proof) which indicates that the vast majority of gay people are born that way. Specific areas of the gay brain are sized and “wired” like the opposite gender’s, not like the straight version of their own gender.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

In my mind it’s sort of like evolution. Sure, it’s still just a theory, but if you don’t “believe” in it, you’re most likely an idiot (or choosing to remain ignorant, which is the same thing).

[Ren]

Whenever I read of a study of gay vs non-gay physiology – and there have been several – there is usually compelling evidence (if not outright proof) which indicates that the vast majority of gay people are born that way. Specific areas of the gay brain are sized and “wired” like the opposite gender’s, not like the straight version of their own gender.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

In my mind it’s sort of like evolution. Sure, it’s still just a theory, but if you don’t “believe” in it, you’re most likely an idiot (or choosing to remain ignorant, which is the same thing).

[Ren]

Whenever I read of a study of gay vs non-gay physiology – and there have been several – there is usually compelling evidence (if not outright proof) which indicates that the vast majority of gay people are born that way. Specific areas of the gay brain are sized and “wired” like the opposite gender’s, not like the straight version of their own gender.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

In my mind it’s sort of like evolution. Sure, it’s still just a theory, but if you don’t “believe” in it, you’re most likely an idiot (or choosing to remain ignorant, which is the same thing).

[Ren]

Whenever I read of a study of gay vs non-gay physiology – and there have been several – there is usually compelling evidence (if not outright proof) which indicates that the vast majority of gay people are born that way. Specific areas of the gay brain are sized and “wired” like the opposite gender’s, not like the straight version of their own gender.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

In my mind it’s sort of like evolution. Sure, it’s still just a theory, but if you don’t “believe” in it, you’re most likely an idiot (or choosing to remain ignorant, which is the same thing).

[briansd1]

[quote=SK in CV]

Geez Brian. They? Really? They? Your experiences with some Asians, and some professionals, and some females, tells you that they will all act that way? You do realize that “they” is the genesis of all bigotry? Biases which become prejudices by the attribution to an entire population, a characteristic exhibited by some members of that population. It doesn’t matter that you’ve identified good characteristics. It doesn’t matter if “they” are Asian professional women, or Republicans or Conservatives or gays or any other population. Stop writing that shit. And even more importantly, stop thinking that way.[/quote]

Ok, I deserved the slap. I’ll try to be a better person.

[quote=flu]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….

Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…

Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…[/quote]

There are housing laws, flu.

However, you have the choice to share your own home with pretty much anyone you want. You and your housemate need to share compatible lifestyles. I don’t like messy, dirty behavior and I don’t want such in my own house.

That’s completely different from being a landlord and renting out a whole house or apartment.

Actually, being a landlord myself, I would say that race, sex, sexual orientation, or other criteria don’t matter at all.

IMHO, the most important qualities in a tenant that is he/she be clean and organized, and will pay rent on time, without sob stories about late rent.

[briansd1]

[quote=SK in CV]

Geez Brian. They? Really? They? Your experiences with some Asians, and some professionals, and some females, tells you that they will all act that way? You do realize that “they” is the genesis of all bigotry? Biases which become prejudices by the attribution to an entire population, a characteristic exhibited by some members of that population. It doesn’t matter that you’ve identified good characteristics. It doesn’t matter if “they” are Asian professional women, or Republicans or Conservatives or gays or any other population. Stop writing that shit. And even more importantly, stop thinking that way.[/quote]

Ok, I deserved the slap. I’ll try to be a better person.

[quote=flu]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….

Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…

Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…[/quote]

There are housing laws, flu.

However, you have the choice to share your own home with pretty much anyone you want. You and your housemate need to share compatible lifestyles. I don’t like messy, dirty behavior and I don’t want such in my own house.

That’s completely different from being a landlord and renting out a whole house or apartment.

Actually, being a landlord myself, I would say that race, sex, sexual orientation, or other criteria don’t matter at all.

IMHO, the most important qualities in a tenant that is he/she be clean and organized, and will pay rent on time, without sob stories about late rent.

[briansd1]

[quote=SK in CV]

Geez Brian. They? Really? They? Your experiences with some Asians, and some professionals, and some females, tells you that they will all act that way? You do realize that “they” is the genesis of all bigotry? Biases which become prejudices by the attribution to an entire population, a characteristic exhibited by some members of that population. It doesn’t matter that you’ve identified good characteristics. It doesn’t matter if “they” are Asian professional women, or Republicans or Conservatives or gays or any other population. Stop writing that shit. And even more importantly, stop thinking that way.[/quote]

Ok, I deserved the slap. I’ll try to be a better person.

[quote=flu]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….

Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…

Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…[/quote]

There are housing laws, flu.

However, you have the choice to share your own home with pretty much anyone you want. You and your housemate need to share compatible lifestyles. I don’t like messy, dirty behavior and I don’t want such in my own house.

That’s completely different from being a landlord and renting out a whole house or apartment.

Actually, being a landlord myself, I would say that race, sex, sexual orientation, or other criteria don’t matter at all.

IMHO, the most important qualities in a tenant that is he/she be clean and organized, and will pay rent on time, without sob stories about late rent.

[briansd1]

[quote=SK in CV]

Geez Brian. They? Really? They? Your experiences with some Asians, and some professionals, and some females, tells you that they will all act that way? You do realize that “they” is the genesis of all bigotry? Biases which become prejudices by the attribution to an entire population, a characteristic exhibited by some members of that population. It doesn’t matter that you’ve identified good characteristics. It doesn’t matter if “they” are Asian professional women, or Republicans or Conservatives or gays or any other population. Stop writing that shit. And even more importantly, stop thinking that way.[/quote]

Ok, I deserved the slap. I’ll try to be a better person.

[quote=flu]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….

Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…

Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…[/quote]

There are housing laws, flu.

However, you have the choice to share your own home with pretty much anyone you want. You and your housemate need to share compatible lifestyles. I don’t like messy, dirty behavior and I don’t want such in my own house.

That’s completely different from being a landlord and renting out a whole house or apartment.

Actually, being a landlord myself, I would say that race, sex, sexual orientation, or other criteria don’t matter at all.

IMHO, the most important qualities in a tenant that is he/she be clean and organized, and will pay rent on time, without sob stories about late rent.

[briansd1]

[quote=SK in CV]

Geez Brian. They? Really? They? Your experiences with some Asians, and some professionals, and some females, tells you that they will all act that way? You do realize that “they” is the genesis of all bigotry? Biases which become prejudices by the attribution to an entire population, a characteristic exhibited by some members of that population. It doesn’t matter that you’ve identified good characteristics. It doesn’t matter if “they” are Asian professional women, or Republicans or Conservatives or gays or any other population. Stop writing that shit. And even more importantly, stop thinking that way.[/quote]

Ok, I deserved the slap. I’ll try to be a better person.

[quote=flu]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….

Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…

Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…[/quote]

There are housing laws, flu.

However, you have the choice to share your own home with pretty much anyone you want. You and your housemate need to share compatible lifestyles. I don’t like messy, dirty behavior and I don’t want such in my own house.

That’s completely different from being a landlord and renting out a whole house or apartment.

Actually, being a landlord myself, I would say that race, sex, sexual orientation, or other criteria don’t matter at all.

IMHO, the most important qualities in a tenant that is he/she be clean and organized, and will pay rent on time, without sob stories about late rent.

[NotCranky]

As I was walking back to my office to look at this thread, I expected that mudslinging would have returned to the thread. Bingo.

Good luck folks. Thanks to those who avoided throwing things.

[NotCranky]

As I was walking back to my office to look at this thread, I expected that mudslinging would have returned to the thread. Bingo.

Good luck folks. Thanks to those who avoided throwing things.

[NotCranky]

As I was walking back to my office to look at this thread, I expected that mudslinging would have returned to the thread. Bingo.

Good luck folks. Thanks to those who avoided throwing things.

[NotCranky]

As I was walking back to my office to look at this thread, I expected that mudslinging would have returned to the thread. Bingo.

Good luck folks. Thanks to those who avoided throwing things.

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