OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]

Saying that obesity is “manageable” is like saying that being gay is “manageable.” IMHO, neither one is a choice, and even though you claim that weight gain is under the control of the obese, it is not.
[/quote]

I can turn a fat person thin. Just give me enough power over that person.

But I could never turn a gay person into a straight person or vice versa.

I will grant you that over-eating is a genetic predisposition. That was a good thing when humans did not have unlimited amounts of food available. So humans had to eat a lot when food was available, and store some away to survive another day.

All else being equal, I don’t see any incremental health hazard to being gay.

Being over-weight is dangerous to one’s health. To me, it’s an issue of responsibility to one’s body and to society (because of the costs associated with obesity).[/quote]

Not that over-eating is genetically predisposed (though the inability to feel satiated could be), but that people burn calories differently. You can give two people the same number of calories, and one will be overweight, while the other one starves. The genetic predisposition is whether or not their bodies tend to store calories or burn them off immediately.

IMHO, some people have to force, or push, their bodies into action (those who tend to store calories), while others have bodies that pull them into action (those whose bodies convert calories into kinetic energy).

We are not all made the same, Brian.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

We are not all made the same, Brian.[/quote]

Yes.

So why do different people have to eat the same calories? And if it takes a person more food to feel satiated, that person should eat food that is calorie light (and avoid calorie dense food).

When I had a old dog and a young dog with different activity levels, they were fed separately. Each got what was needed and each was healthy.

Seems like you’re acknowledging that being overweight is not a genetic situation beyond one’s control, but an issue of personal responsibility, weight management, and matching the appropriate food with the proper metabolism level.

I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

We are not all made the same, Brian.[/quote]

Yes.

So why do different people have to eat the same calories? And if it takes a person more food to feel satiated, that person should eat food that is calorie light (and avoid calorie dense food).

When I had a old dog and a young dog with different activity levels, they were fed separately. Each got what was needed and each was healthy.

Seems like you’re acknowledging that being overweight is not a genetic situation beyond one’s control, but an issue of personal responsibility, weight management, and matching the appropriate food with the proper metabolism level.

I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

We are not all made the same, Brian.[/quote]

Yes.

So why do different people have to eat the same calories? And if it takes a person more food to feel satiated, that person should eat food that is calorie light (and avoid calorie dense food).

When I had a old dog and a young dog with different activity levels, they were fed separately. Each got what was needed and each was healthy.

Seems like you’re acknowledging that being overweight is not a genetic situation beyond one’s control, but an issue of personal responsibility, weight management, and matching the appropriate food with the proper metabolism level.

I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

We are not all made the same, Brian.[/quote]

Yes.

So why do different people have to eat the same calories? And if it takes a person more food to feel satiated, that person should eat food that is calorie light (and avoid calorie dense food).

When I had a old dog and a young dog with different activity levels, they were fed separately. Each got what was needed and each was healthy.

Seems like you’re acknowledging that being overweight is not a genetic situation beyond one’s control, but an issue of personal responsibility, weight management, and matching the appropriate food with the proper metabolism level.

I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

We are not all made the same, Brian.[/quote]

Yes.

So why do different people have to eat the same calories? And if it takes a person more food to feel satiated, that person should eat food that is calorie light (and avoid calorie dense food).

When I had a old dog and a young dog with different activity levels, they were fed separately. Each got what was needed and each was healthy.

Seems like you’re acknowledging that being overweight is not a genetic situation beyond one’s control, but an issue of personal responsibility, weight management, and matching the appropriate food with the proper metabolism level.

I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=briansd1]I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).[/quote]

I believe this also.

[quote-briansd1]The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

The difference in the last 30 years is VERY pronounced, especially in young people. The young people of “yesteryear” didn’t have computers and all these other electronic gadgets currently available. Phones were on the wall so often you sat in a barstool or stood up while talking on it. Same with public phones where you had to feed another dime in it after 3-10 mins. To change the TV channel, you got up and turned both the dial and the rabbit ears :=] They also didn’t have “power bars,” 300 kinds of chips, 100 kinds of soda, 50 kinds of “energy drinks,” a zillion other packaged snacks, Starbucks and multiple fast food outlets to choose from (now with “supersized” meals). All these choices tend to add a lot of calories to a kid’s daily life if they have the money and are freely allowed to choose.

VHS tapes and DVDs also did not exist. Kids back then pursued sports for entertainment and had to line up around a movie theatre or a record store when a movie or music single or album they wanted was released.

I am worried about obesity in the younger crowd today. It’s epidemic and many teens are starting to have health problems from it. A LOT of these kids are uninsured which doesn’t bode well for getting the care they need.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=briansd1]I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).[/quote]

I believe this also.

[quote-briansd1]The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

The difference in the last 30 years is VERY pronounced, especially in young people. The young people of “yesteryear” didn’t have computers and all these other electronic gadgets currently available. Phones were on the wall so often you sat in a barstool or stood up while talking on it. Same with public phones where you had to feed another dime in it after 3-10 mins. To change the TV channel, you got up and turned both the dial and the rabbit ears :=] They also didn’t have “power bars,” 300 kinds of chips, 100 kinds of soda, 50 kinds of “energy drinks,” a zillion other packaged snacks, Starbucks and multiple fast food outlets to choose from (now with “supersized” meals). All these choices tend to add a lot of calories to a kid’s daily life if they have the money and are freely allowed to choose.

VHS tapes and DVDs also did not exist. Kids back then pursued sports for entertainment and had to line up around a movie theatre or a record store when a movie or music single or album they wanted was released.

I am worried about obesity in the younger crowd today. It’s epidemic and many teens are starting to have health problems from it. A LOT of these kids are uninsured which doesn’t bode well for getting the care they need.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=briansd1]I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).[/quote]

I believe this also.

[quote-briansd1]The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

The difference in the last 30 years is VERY pronounced, especially in young people. The young people of “yesteryear” didn’t have computers and all these other electronic gadgets currently available. Phones were on the wall so often you sat in a barstool or stood up while talking on it. Same with public phones where you had to feed another dime in it after 3-10 mins. To change the TV channel, you got up and turned both the dial and the rabbit ears :=] They also didn’t have “power bars,” 300 kinds of chips, 100 kinds of soda, 50 kinds of “energy drinks,” a zillion other packaged snacks, Starbucks and multiple fast food outlets to choose from (now with “supersized” meals). All these choices tend to add a lot of calories to a kid’s daily life if they have the money and are freely allowed to choose.

VHS tapes and DVDs also did not exist. Kids back then pursued sports for entertainment and had to line up around a movie theatre or a record store when a movie or music single or album they wanted was released.

I am worried about obesity in the younger crowd today. It’s epidemic and many teens are starting to have health problems from it. A LOT of these kids are uninsured which doesn’t bode well for getting the care they need.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=briansd1]I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).[/quote]

I believe this also.

[quote-briansd1]The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

The difference in the last 30 years is VERY pronounced, especially in young people. The young people of “yesteryear” didn’t have computers and all these other electronic gadgets currently available. Phones were on the wall so often you sat in a barstool or stood up while talking on it. Same with public phones where you had to feed another dime in it after 3-10 mins. To change the TV channel, you got up and turned both the dial and the rabbit ears :=] They also didn’t have “power bars,” 300 kinds of chips, 100 kinds of soda, 50 kinds of “energy drinks,” a zillion other packaged snacks, Starbucks and multiple fast food outlets to choose from (now with “supersized” meals). All these choices tend to add a lot of calories to a kid’s daily life if they have the money and are freely allowed to choose.

VHS tapes and DVDs also did not exist. Kids back then pursued sports for entertainment and had to line up around a movie theatre or a record store when a movie or music single or album they wanted was released.

I am worried about obesity in the younger crowd today. It’s epidemic and many teens are starting to have health problems from it. A LOT of these kids are uninsured which doesn’t bode well for getting the care they need.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=briansd1]I believe that gays have always been around and have always comprised the same percentage of the population (though they lived in hiding in the past).[/quote]

I believe this also.

[quote-briansd1]The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

The difference in the last 30 years is VERY pronounced, especially in young people. The young people of “yesteryear” didn’t have computers and all these other electronic gadgets currently available. Phones were on the wall so often you sat in a barstool or stood up while talking on it. Same with public phones where you had to feed another dime in it after 3-10 mins. To change the TV channel, you got up and turned both the dial and the rabbit ears :=] They also didn’t have “power bars,” 300 kinds of chips, 100 kinds of soda, 50 kinds of “energy drinks,” a zillion other packaged snacks, Starbucks and multiple fast food outlets to choose from (now with “supersized” meals). All these choices tend to add a lot of calories to a kid’s daily life if they have the money and are freely allowed to choose.

VHS tapes and DVDs also did not exist. Kids back then pursued sports for entertainment and had to line up around a movie theatre or a record store when a movie or music single or album they wanted was released.

I am worried about obesity in the younger crowd today. It’s epidemic and many teens are starting to have health problems from it. A LOT of these kids are uninsured which doesn’t bode well for getting the care they need.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

It’s a little more complex than that, but, yes, once societies get “rich” they develop pathologies. People have been getting generally sicker for 50 years. But, on the plus side, it’s generally good for the economy;)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100921163709.htm

American children is worse than it was 50 years ago: there’s an epidemic of anxiety and depression among the young; aggressive behavior and delinquency rates in young children are rising; and empathy, the backbone of compassionate, moral behavior, has been shown to be decreasing among college students.
“All of these issues are of concern to me as a researcher of moral development,” Narvaez says. “Kids who don’t get the emotional nurturing they need in early life tend to be more self-centered.

http://www.chartist.org.uk/articles/econsoc/sept02lee.html

Rates of clinical depression have increased considerably since 1950. In America a survey of over 18,000 adults found that a person born between 1945 and 1955 was between three and ten times more likely to suffer a major depression before the age of 34 than a person born between 1905 and 1914. Another American study involving 19,000 people found that 20% of the total US population suffer from a mental illness (as defined by the psychiatric bible The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) during any given 12 months and that 32% will suffer at some point during their lifetime.

Rates of suicide have increased since 1950 – they have trebled in the UK since 1970. Crimes against the person have risen in the UK from 6,000 in 1950, to 239,000 in 1996. Alcohol and substance misuse have increased exponentially. Italy went from 343 registered heroin addicts in 1976 to 183,386 in 1991. The UK experience was similar: starting from a lower base the number of registered (N.B.) addicts in 1979 was 79, by 1990 this figure had reached 50,740. Add to this various other manifestations of mass neuroses; eating disorders and smoking (a particular problem in young women), road rage, air rage, the increasing incidence of violence towards shop staff, teachers, nurses and doctors and welfare officials, or indeed against anybody who gets in the way.Increasing numbers are incarcerated in prison, some 2 million in the United States alone.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

It’s a little more complex than that, but, yes, once societies get “rich” they develop pathologies. People have been getting generally sicker for 50 years. But, on the plus side, it’s generally good for the economy;)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100921163709.htm

American children is worse than it was 50 years ago: there’s an epidemic of anxiety and depression among the young; aggressive behavior and delinquency rates in young children are rising; and empathy, the backbone of compassionate, moral behavior, has been shown to be decreasing among college students.
“All of these issues are of concern to me as a researcher of moral development,” Narvaez says. “Kids who don’t get the emotional nurturing they need in early life tend to be more self-centered.

http://www.chartist.org.uk/articles/econsoc/sept02lee.html

Rates of clinical depression have increased considerably since 1950. In America a survey of over 18,000 adults found that a person born between 1945 and 1955 was between three and ten times more likely to suffer a major depression before the age of 34 than a person born between 1905 and 1914. Another American study involving 19,000 people found that 20% of the total US population suffer from a mental illness (as defined by the psychiatric bible The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) during any given 12 months and that 32% will suffer at some point during their lifetime.

Rates of suicide have increased since 1950 – they have trebled in the UK since 1970. Crimes against the person have risen in the UK from 6,000 in 1950, to 239,000 in 1996. Alcohol and substance misuse have increased exponentially. Italy went from 343 registered heroin addicts in 1976 to 183,386 in 1991. The UK experience was similar: starting from a lower base the number of registered (N.B.) addicts in 1979 was 79, by 1990 this figure had reached 50,740. Add to this various other manifestations of mass neuroses; eating disorders and smoking (a particular problem in young women), road rage, air rage, the increasing incidence of violence towards shop staff, teachers, nurses and doctors and welfare officials, or indeed against anybody who gets in the way.Increasing numbers are incarcerated in prison, some 2 million in the United States alone.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

It’s a little more complex than that, but, yes, once societies get “rich” they develop pathologies. People have been getting generally sicker for 50 years. But, on the plus side, it’s generally good for the economy;)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100921163709.htm

American children is worse than it was 50 years ago: there’s an epidemic of anxiety and depression among the young; aggressive behavior and delinquency rates in young children are rising; and empathy, the backbone of compassionate, moral behavior, has been shown to be decreasing among college students.
“All of these issues are of concern to me as a researcher of moral development,” Narvaez says. “Kids who don’t get the emotional nurturing they need in early life tend to be more self-centered.

http://www.chartist.org.uk/articles/econsoc/sept02lee.html

Rates of clinical depression have increased considerably since 1950. In America a survey of over 18,000 adults found that a person born between 1945 and 1955 was between three and ten times more likely to suffer a major depression before the age of 34 than a person born between 1905 and 1914. Another American study involving 19,000 people found that 20% of the total US population suffer from a mental illness (as defined by the psychiatric bible The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) during any given 12 months and that 32% will suffer at some point during their lifetime.

Rates of suicide have increased since 1950 – they have trebled in the UK since 1970. Crimes against the person have risen in the UK from 6,000 in 1950, to 239,000 in 1996. Alcohol and substance misuse have increased exponentially. Italy went from 343 registered heroin addicts in 1976 to 183,386 in 1991. The UK experience was similar: starting from a lower base the number of registered (N.B.) addicts in 1979 was 79, by 1990 this figure had reached 50,740. Add to this various other manifestations of mass neuroses; eating disorders and smoking (a particular problem in young women), road rage, air rage, the increasing incidence of violence towards shop staff, teachers, nurses and doctors and welfare officials, or indeed against anybody who gets in the way.Increasing numbers are incarcerated in prison, some 2 million in the United States alone.

[Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]

The precentage of overweight people have increased in the last 50 years in America. The phenomenon is also visible across the world as people get richer and can afford more food.[/quote]

It’s a little more complex than that, but, yes, once societies get “rich” they develop pathologies. People have been getting generally sicker for 50 years. But, on the plus side, it’s generally good for the economy;)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100921163709.htm

American children is worse than it was 50 years ago: there’s an epidemic of anxiety and depression among the young; aggressive behavior and delinquency rates in young children are rising; and empathy, the backbone of compassionate, moral behavior, has been shown to be decreasing among college students.
“All of these issues are of concern to me as a researcher of moral development,” Narvaez says. “Kids who don’t get the emotional nurturing they need in early life tend to be more self-centered.

http://www.chartist.org.uk/articles/econsoc/sept02lee.html

Rates of clinical depression have increased considerably since 1950. In America a survey of over 18,000 adults found that a person born between 1945 and 1955 was between three and ten times more likely to suffer a major depression before the age of 34 than a person born between 1905 and 1914. Another American study involving 19,000 people found that 20% of the total US population suffer from a mental illness (as defined by the psychiatric bible The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) during any given 12 months and that 32% will suffer at some point during their lifetime.

Rates of suicide have increased since 1950 – they have trebled in the UK since 1970. Crimes against the person have risen in the UK from 6,000 in 1950, to 239,000 in 1996. Alcohol and substance misuse have increased exponentially. Italy went from 343 registered heroin addicts in 1976 to 183,386 in 1991. The UK experience was similar: starting from a lower base the number of registered (N.B.) addicts in 1979 was 79, by 1990 this figure had reached 50,740. Add to this various other manifestations of mass neuroses; eating disorders and smoking (a particular problem in young women), road rage, air rage, the increasing incidence of violence towards shop staff, teachers, nurses and doctors and welfare officials, or indeed against anybody who gets in the way.Increasing numbers are incarcerated in prison, some 2 million in the United States alone.

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