OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[Arraya]

[quote=Rustico]

I am not saying anything of this pertains to your sister, just giving you background for why I don’t take “nuture” lightly.[/quote]

The nature verse nurture debate is a false dichotomy. Reality is dynamic, interconnected and symbiotic.

I briefly mentioned this in the “Alcoholism” thread. The idea that genes “program” behavior is wrong, for the most part, a product of our mechanistic worldview; evidence shows that the environment triggers and even alters DNA. It’s called “epigenetics” – that non-genetic factors cause the organism’s genes to behave (or “express themselves”) differently. The younger an organism the more susceptible to environmental stresses that can trigger physiological changes. Prenatal and early childhood humans are very susceptible to genetic/biological altering environmental stresses which could cause a myriad of behavioral changes. This does not mean it is not “natural” because the changes were some sort of response to the stimuli.

I have not looked into the homosexuality scientifically, but I have spent some time reading about the most recent genetics and behavioral sciences. fwiw – intuitively I would not say homosexuality is analogous to having brown eyes. Maybe a genetic expression to an prenatal environmental stress in some. Maybe it goes “deeper” in others. I also met a women that entered a homosexual relationships after being severely abused in heterosexual relationships in her teens and admitted to having sexual attraction to men at one point – but something “switched off”. Though she did say she was attracted to women at a young age as well.

Bruce Lipton wrote a book recently called the “Biology of Belief” in which he showed compelling evidence that shows that genes and DNA do not control our biology; that instead DNA is controlled by signals from outside the cell, including the energetic messages emanating from our thoughts. But I digress…

The point is reducing things down to nature verse nurture is doomed from the start. I agree, humans are way more malleable than we like to admit – down to a cellular level. It is kind of a dynamic interdependence of influences that create a human’s behavior – rather than this or that

[meadandale]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…

[meadandale]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…

[meadandale]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…

[meadandale]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…

[meadandale]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…

[Ren]

[quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.

[Ren]

[quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.

[Ren]

[quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.

[Ren]

[quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.

[Ren]

[quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.

[briansd1]

[quote=Ren][quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.[/quote]

Yes, for roommates/housemates, only discriminatory advertizing is illegal.

And if you share a bathroom or kitchen, you may advertize a sex preference.

Craigslist has a good FAQ:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/FHA#roommates

But I agree with SK that I should stop thinking based on my own perceptions and be more open minded.

So next time I’m looking for a housemate, I’ll keep an open mind. I maybe more careful, and come up with an excuse to visit my prospective housemate’s home to ascertain his/her health and lifestyle standards before approving the housemate. That’s still some time in the future because my current housemate plans to stay for 5 years. Maybe, I’ll then be more established with a network of friends; and I’ll find a replacement by word-of-mouth.

[briansd1]

[quote=Ren][quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.[/quote]

Yes, for roommates/housemates, only discriminatory advertizing is illegal.

And if you share a bathroom or kitchen, you may advertize a sex preference.

Craigslist has a good FAQ:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/FHA#roommates

But I agree with SK that I should stop thinking based on my own perceptions and be more open minded.

So next time I’m looking for a housemate, I’ll keep an open mind. I maybe more careful, and come up with an excuse to visit my prospective housemate’s home to ascertain his/her health and lifestyle standards before approving the housemate. That’s still some time in the future because my current housemate plans to stay for 5 years. Maybe, I’ll then be more established with a network of friends; and I’ll find a replacement by word-of-mouth.

[briansd1]

[quote=Ren][quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.[/quote]

Yes, for roommates/housemates, only discriminatory advertizing is illegal.

And if you share a bathroom or kitchen, you may advertize a sex preference.

Craigslist has a good FAQ:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/FHA#roommates

But I agree with SK that I should stop thinking based on my own perceptions and be more open minded.

So next time I’m looking for a housemate, I’ll keep an open mind. I maybe more careful, and come up with an excuse to visit my prospective housemate’s home to ascertain his/her health and lifestyle standards before approving the housemate. That’s still some time in the future because my current housemate plans to stay for 5 years. Maybe, I’ll then be more established with a network of friends; and I’ll find a replacement by word-of-mouth.

[briansd1]

[quote=Ren][quote=meadandale][quote=bearishgurl]
Fair housing laws do not apply to persons looking for roommates to share their own living quarters with.[/quote]

http://www.equalhousingonthenet.com/

Nice try though…[/quote]

As I read it, that simply means you can’t advertise for those specific traits. I can choose anyone I like, and base that choice on any trait I want. There’s no reason for anyone to know why I chose that person.[/quote]

Yes, for roommates/housemates, only discriminatory advertizing is illegal.

And if you share a bathroom or kitchen, you may advertize a sex preference.

Craigslist has a good FAQ:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/FHA#roommates

But I agree with SK that I should stop thinking based on my own perceptions and be more open minded.

So next time I’m looking for a housemate, I’ll keep an open mind. I maybe more careful, and come up with an excuse to visit my prospective housemate’s home to ascertain his/her health and lifestyle standards before approving the housemate. That’s still some time in the future because my current housemate plans to stay for 5 years. Maybe, I’ll then be more established with a network of friends; and I’ll find a replacement by word-of-mouth.

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