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May 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM #692351May 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM #691208
CoronitaParticipant[quote=briansd1]I’m in Philly this weekend so I asked my housemate who is lesbian.
She said no. No gay agenda influenced her into being gay. In fact she’s a young Chinese-American surgeon, a product of Tiger parents who made sure she had all the “right” influences.
I wanted an Asian, professional female housemate because I trust that they are clean and pay rent on time without ever having to be asked… but that’s antoher story.[/quote]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….
Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…
May 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM #691279CoronitaParticipant[quote=briansd1]I’m in Philly this weekend so I asked my housemate who is lesbian.
She said no. No gay agenda influenced her into being gay. In fact she’s a young Chinese-American surgeon, a product of Tiger parents who made sure she had all the “right” influences.
I wanted an Asian, professional female housemate because I trust that they are clean and pay rent on time without ever having to be asked… but that’s antoher story.[/quote]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….
Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…
May 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM #691883CoronitaParticipant[quote=briansd1]I’m in Philly this weekend so I asked my housemate who is lesbian.
She said no. No gay agenda influenced her into being gay. In fact she’s a young Chinese-American surgeon, a product of Tiger parents who made sure she had all the “right” influences.
I wanted an Asian, professional female housemate because I trust that they are clean and pay rent on time without ever having to be asked… but that’s antoher story.[/quote]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….
Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…
May 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM #692028CoronitaParticipant[quote=briansd1]I’m in Philly this weekend so I asked my housemate who is lesbian.
She said no. No gay agenda influenced her into being gay. In fact she’s a young Chinese-American surgeon, a product of Tiger parents who made sure she had all the “right” influences.
I wanted an Asian, professional female housemate because I trust that they are clean and pay rent on time without ever having to be asked… but that’s antoher story.[/quote]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….
Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…
May 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM #692371CoronitaParticipant[quote=briansd1]I’m in Philly this weekend so I asked my housemate who is lesbian.
She said no. No gay agenda influenced her into being gay. In fact she’s a young Chinese-American surgeon, a product of Tiger parents who made sure she had all the “right” influences.
I wanted an Asian, professional female housemate because I trust that they are clean and pay rent on time without ever having to be asked… but that’s antoher story.[/quote]
I guess if the person was white and overweight and conservative, you wouldn’t have rented to the person, even if he/she could have afforded the rent and had stellar credit….
Besides the irony of the difference between your perceived open-mindedness and your actions…..
So much for fair housing/equal opportunity act there, Brian…Thanks for re-enforcing other thing I always believed….months and months of “diversity training” as a school isn’t going to do didly to make people think/act any differently if they already made up their mind….And that’s why we need laws/disciplinary acts if anyone for any reason violates other people’s rights, including if they are white/conservative, overweight…
May 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM #691222NotCranky
ParticipantLA Reader,
I don’t think you are being fair at all. In any case clearly are misinformed regarding my level of care for gay and lesbian people. This is debate some things are left out, so it is better not to get personal with assumptions and I am sorry about having joined you in that by my query about a hypothetical brother.
BTW, while I am sure many of my views expressed here would be unpopular with most of my gay friends and acquaintances. That doesn’t mean I hate them. I just don’t talk about it unless they want to. In some cases they have wanted to and in some of those cases I got to know their stories intimately. Other people do not want to go into the closets of their pasts.I don’t blame them, maybe it wouldn’t make a difference,maybe they are happy, but I don’t think we should pretend past events are negligible in this.
How hard is it to understand that there are dysfunctional and sometimes criminal displays, emotional incest from various sources, incest and molest, that influence if not out right ingrain a homosexual(or homophobic) orientation? I am perplexed that people can’t see that or be open to learning about it.I am bothered that it is not more mainstream. Most psychologists know it.
There are some things that we should not disassociate from homosexuality. I will protect against and that is what I want the societal politics of homosexuality to attempt to manifest for children and it isn’t and won’t. It is on course to do the opposite.
BTW I think homophobia is a type of emotional incest, when directed at children.There are many manifestations of it, at the family and social level.
May 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM #691294ParticipantLA Reader,
I don’t think you are being fair at all. In any case clearly are misinformed regarding my level of care for gay and lesbian people. This is debate some things are left out, so it is better not to get personal with assumptions and I am sorry about having joined you in that by my query about a hypothetical brother.
BTW, while I am sure many of my views expressed here would be unpopular with most of my gay friends and acquaintances. That doesn’t mean I hate them. I just don’t talk about it unless they want to. In some cases they have wanted to and in some of those cases I got to know their stories intimately. Other people do not want to go into the closets of their pasts.I don’t blame them, maybe it wouldn’t make a difference,maybe they are happy, but I don’t think we should pretend past events are negligible in this.
How hard is it to understand that there are dysfunctional and sometimes criminal displays, emotional incest from various sources, incest and molest, that influence if not out right ingrain a homosexual(or homophobic) orientation? I am perplexed that people can’t see that or be open to learning about it.I am bothered that it is not more mainstream. Most psychologists know it.
There are some things that we should not disassociate from homosexuality. I will protect against and that is what I want the societal politics of homosexuality to attempt to manifest for children and it isn’t and won’t. It is on course to do the opposite.
BTW I think homophobia is a type of emotional incest, when directed at children.There are many manifestations of it, at the family and social level.
May 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM #691898ParticipantLA Reader,
I don’t think you are being fair at all. In any case clearly are misinformed regarding my level of care for gay and lesbian people. This is debate some things are left out, so it is better not to get personal with assumptions and I am sorry about having joined you in that by my query about a hypothetical brother.
BTW, while I am sure many of my views expressed here would be unpopular with most of my gay friends and acquaintances. That doesn’t mean I hate them. I just don’t talk about it unless they want to. In some cases they have wanted to and in some of those cases I got to know their stories intimately. Other people do not want to go into the closets of their pasts.I don’t blame them, maybe it wouldn’t make a difference,maybe they are happy, but I don’t think we should pretend past events are negligible in this.
How hard is it to understand that there are dysfunctional and sometimes criminal displays, emotional incest from various sources, incest and molest, that influence if not out right ingrain a homosexual(or homophobic) orientation? I am perplexed that people can’t see that or be open to learning about it.I am bothered that it is not more mainstream. Most psychologists know it.
There are some things that we should not disassociate from homosexuality. I will protect against and that is what I want the societal politics of homosexuality to attempt to manifest for children and it isn’t and won’t. It is on course to do the opposite.
BTW I think homophobia is a type of emotional incest, when directed at children.There are many manifestations of it, at the family and social level.
May 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM #692042ParticipantLA Reader,
I don’t think you are being fair at all. In any case clearly are misinformed regarding my level of care for gay and lesbian people. This is debate some things are left out, so it is better not to get personal with assumptions and I am sorry about having joined you in that by my query about a hypothetical brother.
BTW, while I am sure many of my views expressed here would be unpopular with most of my gay friends and acquaintances. That doesn’t mean I hate them. I just don’t talk about it unless they want to. In some cases they have wanted to and in some of those cases I got to know their stories intimately. Other people do not want to go into the closets of their pasts.I don’t blame them, maybe it wouldn’t make a difference,maybe they are happy, but I don’t think we should pretend past events are negligible in this.
How hard is it to understand that there are dysfunctional and sometimes criminal displays, emotional incest from various sources, incest and molest, that influence if not out right ingrain a homosexual(or homophobic) orientation? I am perplexed that people can’t see that or be open to learning about it.I am bothered that it is not more mainstream. Most psychologists know it.
There are some things that we should not disassociate from homosexuality. I will protect against and that is what I want the societal politics of homosexuality to attempt to manifest for children and it isn’t and won’t. It is on course to do the opposite.
BTW I think homophobia is a type of emotional incest, when directed at children.There are many manifestations of it, at the family and social level.
May 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM #692386ParticipantLA Reader,
I don’t think you are being fair at all. In any case clearly are misinformed regarding my level of care for gay and lesbian people. This is debate some things are left out, so it is better not to get personal with assumptions and I am sorry about having joined you in that by my query about a hypothetical brother.
BTW, while I am sure many of my views expressed here would be unpopular with most of my gay friends and acquaintances. That doesn’t mean I hate them. I just don’t talk about it unless they want to. In some cases they have wanted to and in some of those cases I got to know their stories intimately. Other people do not want to go into the closets of their pasts.I don’t blame them, maybe it wouldn’t make a difference,maybe they are happy, but I don’t think we should pretend past events are negligible in this.
How hard is it to understand that there are dysfunctional and sometimes criminal displays, emotional incest from various sources, incest and molest, that influence if not out right ingrain a homosexual(or homophobic) orientation? I am perplexed that people can’t see that or be open to learning about it.I am bothered that it is not more mainstream. Most psychologists know it.
There are some things that we should not disassociate from homosexuality. I will protect against and that is what I want the societal politics of homosexuality to attempt to manifest for children and it isn’t and won’t. It is on course to do the opposite.
BTW I think homophobia is a type of emotional incest, when directed at children.There are many manifestations of it, at the family and social level.
May 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM #691237Shadowfax
Participant[quote=Rustico] I think there is enough content in my post in this thread for you to see what I mean? The example of the mother from Shadowfax’s link? There are much more severe cases of parents and others messing with the sexuality/gender identity of preschoolers. It’s emotional abuse with an predictible outcome.That kind of thing makes for an indoctrination in my mind. When politics covers this up I call that an indoctrination and a crime.
Kids come into life vunerable as to identity formation and social function in many factors. Kind of like when a soldier goes to war. Homosexuality is a type of PTSD reaction that children acquire to unusual circumstances, subtle and extreme. I don’t want to codify reinforcement of that with Homoagenda and resulting politics based social engineering.
Homosexuals should have the same protections as anyone, else but promotion via a special class because of an acquired “identity” is wrong, even if most of them can’t change, or are thrilled to be gay.[/quote]
No, no, no. Kids aren’t vulnerable to indoctrination regarding sexual orientation. My family background is a rebuttal to your theory. My sister and I have different fathers, but the same mother. I am straight (and never had any interest in same gender) and she is a lesbian. Not irrefutable proof of genetics but definitely not a datapoint for “nurture.”
Let’s except out the victims of incest or other abuse, because that is not what we are talking about here. That is a class all it’s own.
In cases where people independently identify, you have a wide range of childhood experiences. I can’t quote you a study, but I am sure I could find one, but from my own life experience, there are tons of examples of gay men, for instance, who played football or cops and robbers as children or participated in other “manly” activities with moms and dads who expected them to be and act straight. Some enjoyed these activities/upbringing and it had no influence on their sexual preference. Others experienced this it in a reverse of what you are saying–to please their parents and society to seem more masculine, even though they never found much enjoyment in it. Maybe they even got married to a woman and had a couple kids to persuade everyone, even themselves, that they were straight. But later in life, many of these men (in this example) will tell you that they always liked the same-gender, even though they tried hard not to (counseling, hormone therapy).
So if the reverse-indoctrination doesn’t work for a gay guy/girl trying to be straight, do you really think “gay indoctrination” (whether intentional or subtle) works on someone who is trending toward heterosexuality? I just don’t see it in my experience.
May 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM #691309Participant[quote=Rustico] I think there is enough content in my post in this thread for you to see what I mean? The example of the mother from Shadowfax’s link? There are much more severe cases of parents and others messing with the sexuality/gender identity of preschoolers. It’s emotional abuse with an predictible outcome.That kind of thing makes for an indoctrination in my mind. When politics covers this up I call that an indoctrination and a crime.
Kids come into life vunerable as to identity formation and social function in many factors. Kind of like when a soldier goes to war. Homosexuality is a type of PTSD reaction that children acquire to unusual circumstances, subtle and extreme. I don’t want to codify reinforcement of that with Homoagenda and resulting politics based social engineering.
Homosexuals should have the same protections as anyone, else but promotion via a special class because of an acquired “identity” is wrong, even if most of them can’t change, or are thrilled to be gay.[/quote]
No, no, no. Kids aren’t vulnerable to indoctrination regarding sexual orientation. My family background is a rebuttal to your theory. My sister and I have different fathers, but the same mother. I am straight (and never had any interest in same gender) and she is a lesbian. Not irrefutable proof of genetics but definitely not a datapoint for “nurture.”
Let’s except out the victims of incest or other abuse, because that is not what we are talking about here. That is a class all it’s own.
In cases where people independently identify, you have a wide range of childhood experiences. I can’t quote you a study, but I am sure I could find one, but from my own life experience, there are tons of examples of gay men, for instance, who played football or cops and robbers as children or participated in other “manly” activities with moms and dads who expected them to be and act straight. Some enjoyed these activities/upbringing and it had no influence on their sexual preference. Others experienced this it in a reverse of what you are saying–to please their parents and society to seem more masculine, even though they never found much enjoyment in it. Maybe they even got married to a woman and had a couple kids to persuade everyone, even themselves, that they were straight. But later in life, many of these men (in this example) will tell you that they always liked the same-gender, even though they tried hard not to (counseling, hormone therapy).
So if the reverse-indoctrination doesn’t work for a gay guy/girl trying to be straight, do you really think “gay indoctrination” (whether intentional or subtle) works on someone who is trending toward heterosexuality? I just don’t see it in my experience.
May 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM #691913Participant[quote=Rustico] I think there is enough content in my post in this thread for you to see what I mean? The example of the mother from Shadowfax’s link? There are much more severe cases of parents and others messing with the sexuality/gender identity of preschoolers. It’s emotional abuse with an predictible outcome.That kind of thing makes for an indoctrination in my mind. When politics covers this up I call that an indoctrination and a crime.
Kids come into life vunerable as to identity formation and social function in many factors. Kind of like when a soldier goes to war. Homosexuality is a type of PTSD reaction that children acquire to unusual circumstances, subtle and extreme. I don’t want to codify reinforcement of that with Homoagenda and resulting politics based social engineering.
Homosexuals should have the same protections as anyone, else but promotion via a special class because of an acquired “identity” is wrong, even if most of them can’t change, or are thrilled to be gay.[/quote]
No, no, no. Kids aren’t vulnerable to indoctrination regarding sexual orientation. My family background is a rebuttal to your theory. My sister and I have different fathers, but the same mother. I am straight (and never had any interest in same gender) and she is a lesbian. Not irrefutable proof of genetics but definitely not a datapoint for “nurture.”
Let’s except out the victims of incest or other abuse, because that is not what we are talking about here. That is a class all it’s own.
In cases where people independently identify, you have a wide range of childhood experiences. I can’t quote you a study, but I am sure I could find one, but from my own life experience, there are tons of examples of gay men, for instance, who played football or cops and robbers as children or participated in other “manly” activities with moms and dads who expected them to be and act straight. Some enjoyed these activities/upbringing and it had no influence on their sexual preference. Others experienced this it in a reverse of what you are saying–to please their parents and society to seem more masculine, even though they never found much enjoyment in it. Maybe they even got married to a woman and had a couple kids to persuade everyone, even themselves, that they were straight. But later in life, many of these men (in this example) will tell you that they always liked the same-gender, even though they tried hard not to (counseling, hormone therapy).
So if the reverse-indoctrination doesn’t work for a gay guy/girl trying to be straight, do you really think “gay indoctrination” (whether intentional or subtle) works on someone who is trending toward heterosexuality? I just don’t see it in my experience.
May 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM #692057Participant[quote=Rustico] I think there is enough content in my post in this thread for you to see what I mean? The example of the mother from Shadowfax’s link? There are much more severe cases of parents and others messing with the sexuality/gender identity of preschoolers. It’s emotional abuse with an predictible outcome.That kind of thing makes for an indoctrination in my mind. When politics covers this up I call that an indoctrination and a crime.
Kids come into life vunerable as to identity formation and social function in many factors. Kind of like when a soldier goes to war. Homosexuality is a type of PTSD reaction that children acquire to unusual circumstances, subtle and extreme. I don’t want to codify reinforcement of that with Homoagenda and resulting politics based social engineering.
Homosexuals should have the same protections as anyone, else but promotion via a special class because of an acquired “identity” is wrong, even if most of them can’t change, or are thrilled to be gay.[/quote]
No, no, no. Kids aren’t vulnerable to indoctrination regarding sexual orientation. My family background is a rebuttal to your theory. My sister and I have different fathers, but the same mother. I am straight (and never had any interest in same gender) and she is a lesbian. Not irrefutable proof of genetics but definitely not a datapoint for “nurture.”
Let’s except out the victims of incest or other abuse, because that is not what we are talking about here. That is a class all it’s own.
In cases where people independently identify, you have a wide range of childhood experiences. I can’t quote you a study, but I am sure I could find one, but from my own life experience, there are tons of examples of gay men, for instance, who played football or cops and robbers as children or participated in other “manly” activities with moms and dads who expected them to be and act straight. Some enjoyed these activities/upbringing and it had no influence on their sexual preference. Others experienced this it in a reverse of what you are saying–to please their parents and society to seem more masculine, even though they never found much enjoyment in it. Maybe they even got married to a woman and had a couple kids to persuade everyone, even themselves, that they were straight. But later in life, many of these men (in this example) will tell you that they always liked the same-gender, even though they tried hard not to (counseling, hormone therapy).
So if the reverse-indoctrination doesn’t work for a gay guy/girl trying to be straight, do you really think “gay indoctrination” (whether intentional or subtle) works on someone who is trending toward heterosexuality? I just don’t see it in my experience.
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