Off Topic: Curious about how others feel about the Georgian/Russian war

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: I’m willing to bet that both sides share culpability. Undoubtedly the Georgians, bolstered by their relationship with the US, tweaked Putin’s nose and the Russians wasted no time in seizing the opportunity to respond.

Putin’s annoyance with Georgia is well known, as are his ambitions to restore Russia’s fading glory and pre-empt NATO’s moves further east.

However, the idea that arraya expounds, namely that the West and NATO are “aggressors” is arrant nonsense. Russia has become extremely bellicose as of late, largely fueled by her newfound energy wealth and resulting influence in Europe. Russia has always had designs on this part of the world, and Putin took a calculated gamble.

Wolverines!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: I’m willing to bet that both sides share culpability. Undoubtedly the Georgians, bolstered by their relationship with the US, tweaked Putin’s nose and the Russians wasted no time in seizing the opportunity to respond.

Putin’s annoyance with Georgia is well known, as are his ambitions to restore Russia’s fading glory and pre-empt NATO’s moves further east.

However, the idea that arraya expounds, namely that the West and NATO are “aggressors” is arrant nonsense. Russia has become extremely bellicose as of late, largely fueled by her newfound energy wealth and resulting influence in Europe. Russia has always had designs on this part of the world, and Putin took a calculated gamble.

Wolverines!

[paranoid]

Who started this conflict? Geogia.

Geogia believed that it is backed by the USA and the NATO,and kept challenging Russia including killing people in its 2 break-away regions. Geogia only too late discovered that USA and the NATO’s backing is only in words, not in real deeds.

Russian behaviors are starting to resemble more and more to the US’ when it comes to its national interests.

[paranoid]

Who started this conflict? Geogia.

Geogia believed that it is backed by the USA and the NATO,and kept challenging Russia including killing people in its 2 break-away regions. Geogia only too late discovered that USA and the NATO’s backing is only in words, not in real deeds.

Russian behaviors are starting to resemble more and more to the US’ when it comes to its national interests.

[paranoid]

Who started this conflict? Geogia.

Geogia believed that it is backed by the USA and the NATO,and kept challenging Russia including killing people in its 2 break-away regions. Geogia only too late discovered that USA and the NATO’s backing is only in words, not in real deeds.

Russian behaviors are starting to resemble more and more to the US’ when it comes to its national interests.

[paranoid]

Who started this conflict? Geogia.

Geogia believed that it is backed by the USA and the NATO,and kept challenging Russia including killing people in its 2 break-away regions. Geogia only too late discovered that USA and the NATO’s backing is only in words, not in real deeds.

Russian behaviors are starting to resemble more and more to the US’ when it comes to its national interests.

[paranoid]

Who started this conflict? Geogia.

Geogia believed that it is backed by the USA and the NATO,and kept challenging Russia including killing people in its 2 break-away regions. Geogia only too late discovered that USA and the NATO’s backing is only in words, not in real deeds.

Russian behaviors are starting to resemble more and more to the US’ when it comes to its national interests.

[afx114]

Also there was news yesterday that the US agreed with Poland to house a missile defense. Could that have been announced at a worse time? Russia must be pissed. I’m sure we’ll see Russian missiles in Cuba next, and could you blame them? Deja-vu all over again.

I believe it was Russia’s UN guy who said that “invading sovereign countries is an American trait.” And he’s right. The US has absolutely no moral authority in the matter.

[afx114]

Also there was news yesterday that the US agreed with Poland to house a missile defense. Could that have been announced at a worse time? Russia must be pissed. I’m sure we’ll see Russian missiles in Cuba next, and could you blame them? Deja-vu all over again.

I believe it was Russia’s UN guy who said that “invading sovereign countries is an American trait.” And he’s right. The US has absolutely no moral authority in the matter.

[afx114]

Also there was news yesterday that the US agreed with Poland to house a missile defense. Could that have been announced at a worse time? Russia must be pissed. I’m sure we’ll see Russian missiles in Cuba next, and could you blame them? Deja-vu all over again.

I believe it was Russia’s UN guy who said that “invading sovereign countries is an American trait.” And he’s right. The US has absolutely no moral authority in the matter.

[afx114]

Also there was news yesterday that the US agreed with Poland to house a missile defense. Could that have been announced at a worse time? Russia must be pissed. I’m sure we’ll see Russian missiles in Cuba next, and could you blame them? Deja-vu all over again.

I believe it was Russia’s UN guy who said that “invading sovereign countries is an American trait.” And he’s right. The US has absolutely no moral authority in the matter.

[afx114]

Also there was news yesterday that the US agreed with Poland to house a missile defense. Could that have been announced at a worse time? Russia must be pissed. I’m sure we’ll see Russian missiles in Cuba next, and could you blame them? Deja-vu all over again.

I believe it was Russia’s UN guy who said that “invading sovereign countries is an American trait.” And he’s right. The US has absolutely no moral authority in the matter.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: That’s frickin’ hilarious, coming from the Russians. You look at the Soviets, especially starting with the 1956 invasion of Hungary and culminating with Afghanistan 1979, and their proxy support of all those “Wars of National Liberation”, and they are passing judgment on us? Uh, yeah, okay.

And don’t have any illusions about the “new” Russia. It’s the “old” Russia all over again.

Putin will use whatever pretext is necessary to re-establish Russian dominance in the region, and the US and NATO are nothing other than convenient foils for his ambitions. Russia is using a combination of soft power (through controlling energy resources and transmission of same to Europe) and hard power (in the form of power projection) to bring greater glory to Mother Russia.

Putin is former KGB, and a member of Pamyat, an ultranationalist movement solely dedicated to “Russian national revival”. If any of this rings any bells regarding another ultranationalist bent on regional domination in Europe, it should.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: That’s frickin’ hilarious, coming from the Russians. You look at the Soviets, especially starting with the 1956 invasion of Hungary and culminating with Afghanistan 1979, and their proxy support of all those “Wars of National Liberation”, and they are passing judgment on us? Uh, yeah, okay.

And don’t have any illusions about the “new” Russia. It’s the “old” Russia all over again.

Putin will use whatever pretext is necessary to re-establish Russian dominance in the region, and the US and NATO are nothing other than convenient foils for his ambitions. Russia is using a combination of soft power (through controlling energy resources and transmission of same to Europe) and hard power (in the form of power projection) to bring greater glory to Mother Russia.

Putin is former KGB, and a member of Pamyat, an ultranationalist movement solely dedicated to “Russian national revival”. If any of this rings any bells regarding another ultranationalist bent on regional domination in Europe, it should.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: That’s frickin’ hilarious, coming from the Russians. You look at the Soviets, especially starting with the 1956 invasion of Hungary and culminating with Afghanistan 1979, and their proxy support of all those “Wars of National Liberation”, and they are passing judgment on us? Uh, yeah, okay.

And don’t have any illusions about the “new” Russia. It’s the “old” Russia all over again.

Putin will use whatever pretext is necessary to re-establish Russian dominance in the region, and the US and NATO are nothing other than convenient foils for his ambitions. Russia is using a combination of soft power (through controlling energy resources and transmission of same to Europe) and hard power (in the form of power projection) to bring greater glory to Mother Russia.

Putin is former KGB, and a member of Pamyat, an ultranationalist movement solely dedicated to “Russian national revival”. If any of this rings any bells regarding another ultranationalist bent on regional domination in Europe, it should.

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