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August 14, 2008 at 9:59 PM #257393August 14, 2008 at 9:59 PM #257440Allan from FallbrookParticipant
Sympathy for the Russians? Interesting. Putin has a game plan and is executing it flawlessly. Between cowing the Europeans with an overt lesson in power projection and using the “soft power” persuasiveness of controlling a large chunk of their energy supplies, he has managed to stop the eastern thrust of NATO and simultaneously restore Russian primacy in Eastern Europe.
You have to wonder how the Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians feel about this latest “Soviet” jaunt. Or the Poles, for that matter.
Cold War redux indeed. Cowboys and Cossacks all over again.
August 14, 2008 at 10:01 PM #257155VeritasParticipantJa, and the Sudetenland belonged to Deutschland. Same argument, different time.
August 14, 2008 at 10:01 PM #257337VeritasParticipantJa, and the Sudetenland belonged to Deutschland. Same argument, different time.
August 14, 2008 at 10:01 PM #257354VeritasParticipantJa, and the Sudetenland belonged to Deutschland. Same argument, different time.
August 14, 2008 at 10:01 PM #257398VeritasParticipantJa, and the Sudetenland belonged to Deutschland. Same argument, different time.
August 14, 2008 at 10:01 PM #257446VeritasParticipantJa, and the Sudetenland belonged to Deutschland. Same argument, different time.
August 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM #257160DCRogersParticipantesmith says: United States is a superpower, so they can bomb and invade foreign countries at their whim and get away with it (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan). If Russia can pull off something like that, it makes Russians feel proud about themselves.
You’re right about that… Georgia is Russia’s “Grenada” (remember that? Helped the US “get over” the Vietnam syndrome). But in the longer run, we’re all better off having Russia more “normal” (read: screwed up like we are) than bitter in a corner.
(We could do with a little less bombing on a whim, but that’s another thread…)
August 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM #257342DCRogersParticipantesmith says: United States is a superpower, so they can bomb and invade foreign countries at their whim and get away with it (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan). If Russia can pull off something like that, it makes Russians feel proud about themselves.
You’re right about that… Georgia is Russia’s “Grenada” (remember that? Helped the US “get over” the Vietnam syndrome). But in the longer run, we’re all better off having Russia more “normal” (read: screwed up like we are) than bitter in a corner.
(We could do with a little less bombing on a whim, but that’s another thread…)
August 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM #257359DCRogersParticipantesmith says: United States is a superpower, so they can bomb and invade foreign countries at their whim and get away with it (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan). If Russia can pull off something like that, it makes Russians feel proud about themselves.
You’re right about that… Georgia is Russia’s “Grenada” (remember that? Helped the US “get over” the Vietnam syndrome). But in the longer run, we’re all better off having Russia more “normal” (read: screwed up like we are) than bitter in a corner.
(We could do with a little less bombing on a whim, but that’s another thread…)
August 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM #257403DCRogersParticipantesmith says: United States is a superpower, so they can bomb and invade foreign countries at their whim and get away with it (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan). If Russia can pull off something like that, it makes Russians feel proud about themselves.
You’re right about that… Georgia is Russia’s “Grenada” (remember that? Helped the US “get over” the Vietnam syndrome). But in the longer run, we’re all better off having Russia more “normal” (read: screwed up like we are) than bitter in a corner.
(We could do with a little less bombing on a whim, but that’s another thread…)
August 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM #257450DCRogersParticipantesmith says: United States is a superpower, so they can bomb and invade foreign countries at their whim and get away with it (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan). If Russia can pull off something like that, it makes Russians feel proud about themselves.
You’re right about that… Georgia is Russia’s “Grenada” (remember that? Helped the US “get over” the Vietnam syndrome). But in the longer run, we’re all better off having Russia more “normal” (read: screwed up like we are) than bitter in a corner.
(We could do with a little less bombing on a whim, but that’s another thread…)
August 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM #257165DCRogersParticipantAllan from Fallbrook says: You have to wonder how the Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians feel about this latest “Soviet” jaunt. Or the Poles, for that matter.
The Poles don’t seem cowed, they rushed to sign a security agreement with the US..
Whether he stopped the eastern thrust of NATO is the interesting question. Ukraine is the one to watch. If it’s a target, they’ll be civil war, and the Russians will be called in as “peacemakers”.
August 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM #257347DCRogersParticipantAllan from Fallbrook says: You have to wonder how the Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians feel about this latest “Soviet” jaunt. Or the Poles, for that matter.
The Poles don’t seem cowed, they rushed to sign a security agreement with the US..
Whether he stopped the eastern thrust of NATO is the interesting question. Ukraine is the one to watch. If it’s a target, they’ll be civil war, and the Russians will be called in as “peacemakers”.
August 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM #257363DCRogersParticipantAllan from Fallbrook says: You have to wonder how the Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians feel about this latest “Soviet” jaunt. Or the Poles, for that matter.
The Poles don’t seem cowed, they rushed to sign a security agreement with the US..
Whether he stopped the eastern thrust of NATO is the interesting question. Ukraine is the one to watch. If it’s a target, they’ll be civil war, and the Russians will be called in as “peacemakers”.
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