Just to affirm what some have said about San Marcos high schools

[outtamojo]

The important number imo is the “similar schools “rank where they adjust for demographics. For example, Carlsbad High is a 9 state rank but a 4 similar schools rank but San Marcos High is a 9 state rank and a 9 similar schools rank. The similar schools rank tells me how much teaching/hard work is going on rather than just having good socioeconomics and from the looks of Carlsbad High ( as an example, don’t mean to pick on them), other schools with a similar demographic work much harder and score much higher. Mira Mesa having 5 out of six elementary 9 and above is very impressive btw. Oh, one more point about test scores and property values if in fact they correlate – if you live in SEH or Mira Mesa or some other less vaunted but still good school system and you transfer your high performing kids out of your local school district, aren’t you shooting yourself in the foot brain-draining your own neighborhood and lowering your property values and enhancing someone else’s proprty values and test scores?

[an]

[quote=outtamojo]The important number imo is the “similar schools “rank where they adjust for demographics. For example, Carlsbad High is a 9 state rank but a 4 similar schools rank but San Marcos High is a 9 state rank and a 9 similar schools rank. The similar schools rank tells me how much teaching/hard work is going on rather than just having good socioeconomics and from the looks of Carlsbad High ( as an example, don’t mean to pick on them), other schools with a similar demographic work much harder and score much higher. Mira Mesa having 5 out of six elementary 9 and above is very impressive btw. Oh, one more point about test scores and property values if in fact they correlate – if you live in SEH or Mira Mesa or some other less vaunted but still good school system and you transfer your high performing kids out of your local school district, aren’t you shooting yourself in the foot brain-draining your own neighborhood and lowering your property values and enhancing someone else’s proprty values and test scores?[/quote]
I don’t know if I would put as much weight on “similar schools” rank. Here are two examples:
Mason Elementary: (API rank 9, similar school rank 10)

Asian 919
Filipino 907
Hispanic or Latino 792
White (not of Hispanic origin) 875
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 825
English Learners 832

Sandburg Elementary: (API rank 10, similar school rank 8)

Asian 907
Filipino 909
White (not of Hispanic origin) 925
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 872
English Learners 875

So, if you’re white, Socioeconomically Disadvantaged, or English learner, you’re probably better off at Sandburg if API score is representative of the capability of the school. Yet, similar school rank is lower at Sandburg.

I don’t believe in the brain drain affecting property value theory either. If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.

[an]

[quote=outtamojo]The important number imo is the “similar schools “rank where they adjust for demographics. For example, Carlsbad High is a 9 state rank but a 4 similar schools rank but San Marcos High is a 9 state rank and a 9 similar schools rank. The similar schools rank tells me how much teaching/hard work is going on rather than just having good socioeconomics and from the looks of Carlsbad High ( as an example, don’t mean to pick on them), other schools with a similar demographic work much harder and score much higher. Mira Mesa having 5 out of six elementary 9 and above is very impressive btw. Oh, one more point about test scores and property values if in fact they correlate – if you live in SEH or Mira Mesa or some other less vaunted but still good school system and you transfer your high performing kids out of your local school district, aren’t you shooting yourself in the foot brain-draining your own neighborhood and lowering your property values and enhancing someone else’s proprty values and test scores?[/quote]
I don’t know if I would put as much weight on “similar schools” rank. Here are two examples:
Mason Elementary: (API rank 9, similar school rank 10)

Asian 919
Filipino 907
Hispanic or Latino 792
White (not of Hispanic origin) 875
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 825
English Learners 832

Sandburg Elementary: (API rank 10, similar school rank 8)

Asian 907
Filipino 909
White (not of Hispanic origin) 925
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 872
English Learners 875

So, if you’re white, Socioeconomically Disadvantaged, or English learner, you’re probably better off at Sandburg if API score is representative of the capability of the school. Yet, similar school rank is lower at Sandburg.

I don’t believe in the brain drain affecting property value theory either. If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.

[an]

[quote=outtamojo]The important number imo is the “similar schools “rank where they adjust for demographics. For example, Carlsbad High is a 9 state rank but a 4 similar schools rank but San Marcos High is a 9 state rank and a 9 similar schools rank. The similar schools rank tells me how much teaching/hard work is going on rather than just having good socioeconomics and from the looks of Carlsbad High ( as an example, don’t mean to pick on them), other schools with a similar demographic work much harder and score much higher. Mira Mesa having 5 out of six elementary 9 and above is very impressive btw. Oh, one more point about test scores and property values if in fact they correlate – if you live in SEH or Mira Mesa or some other less vaunted but still good school system and you transfer your high performing kids out of your local school district, aren’t you shooting yourself in the foot brain-draining your own neighborhood and lowering your property values and enhancing someone else’s proprty values and test scores?[/quote]
I don’t know if I would put as much weight on “similar schools” rank. Here are two examples:
Mason Elementary: (API rank 9, similar school rank 10)

Asian 919
Filipino 907
Hispanic or Latino 792
White (not of Hispanic origin) 875
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 825
English Learners 832

Sandburg Elementary: (API rank 10, similar school rank 8)

Asian 907
Filipino 909
White (not of Hispanic origin) 925
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 872
English Learners 875

So, if you’re white, Socioeconomically Disadvantaged, or English learner, you’re probably better off at Sandburg if API score is representative of the capability of the school. Yet, similar school rank is lower at Sandburg.

I don’t believe in the brain drain affecting property value theory either. If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.

[an]

[quote=outtamojo]The important number imo is the “similar schools “rank where they adjust for demographics. For example, Carlsbad High is a 9 state rank but a 4 similar schools rank but San Marcos High is a 9 state rank and a 9 similar schools rank. The similar schools rank tells me how much teaching/hard work is going on rather than just having good socioeconomics and from the looks of Carlsbad High ( as an example, don’t mean to pick on them), other schools with a similar demographic work much harder and score much higher. Mira Mesa having 5 out of six elementary 9 and above is very impressive btw. Oh, one more point about test scores and property values if in fact they correlate – if you live in SEH or Mira Mesa or some other less vaunted but still good school system and you transfer your high performing kids out of your local school district, aren’t you shooting yourself in the foot brain-draining your own neighborhood and lowering your property values and enhancing someone else’s proprty values and test scores?[/quote]
I don’t know if I would put as much weight on “similar schools” rank. Here are two examples:
Mason Elementary: (API rank 9, similar school rank 10)

Asian 919
Filipino 907
Hispanic or Latino 792
White (not of Hispanic origin) 875
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 825
English Learners 832

Sandburg Elementary: (API rank 10, similar school rank 8)

Asian 907
Filipino 909
White (not of Hispanic origin) 925
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 872
English Learners 875

So, if you’re white, Socioeconomically Disadvantaged, or English learner, you’re probably better off at Sandburg if API score is representative of the capability of the school. Yet, similar school rank is lower at Sandburg.

I don’t believe in the brain drain affecting property value theory either. If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.

[an]

[quote=outtamojo]The important number imo is the “similar schools “rank where they adjust for demographics. For example, Carlsbad High is a 9 state rank but a 4 similar schools rank but San Marcos High is a 9 state rank and a 9 similar schools rank. The similar schools rank tells me how much teaching/hard work is going on rather than just having good socioeconomics and from the looks of Carlsbad High ( as an example, don’t mean to pick on them), other schools with a similar demographic work much harder and score much higher. Mira Mesa having 5 out of six elementary 9 and above is very impressive btw. Oh, one more point about test scores and property values if in fact they correlate – if you live in SEH or Mira Mesa or some other less vaunted but still good school system and you transfer your high performing kids out of your local school district, aren’t you shooting yourself in the foot brain-draining your own neighborhood and lowering your property values and enhancing someone else’s proprty values and test scores?[/quote]
I don’t know if I would put as much weight on “similar schools” rank. Here are two examples:
Mason Elementary: (API rank 9, similar school rank 10)

Asian 919
Filipino 907
Hispanic or Latino 792
White (not of Hispanic origin) 875
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 825
English Learners 832

Sandburg Elementary: (API rank 10, similar school rank 8)

Asian 907
Filipino 909
White (not of Hispanic origin) 925
Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 872
English Learners 875

So, if you’re white, Socioeconomically Disadvantaged, or English learner, you’re probably better off at Sandburg if API score is representative of the capability of the school. Yet, similar school rank is lower at Sandburg.

I don’t believe in the brain drain affecting property value theory either. If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.

[Hobie]

[quote=Eugene] Well, there are hispanics and there are hispanics. [/quote]

This is correct on many levels. Look at the API trend lines in the Los Angeles Unified to illustrate this point.

One of the problems facing LAUSD is some of the hispanic culture there place a limited value on higher education. Specifically, many families expect the kids to go to work ( usually for family business) after the 8th grade.

This coupled with the number of kids who are english learners often haven’t had the necessary foundation education. ie. the 3 r’s. This affects these numbers greatly.

English is weighted almost 50% up to grade 8 in the API tests while it drops to about 30% weighting in the 9-12grades.

As Eugene suggests, it is important to look the elementary feeder school scores carefully.

I would say to do a site visit for any school you are considering and meet the admin, teachers to gain more information that doesn’t appear in the empirical data.

[Hobie]

[quote=Eugene] Well, there are hispanics and there are hispanics. [/quote]

This is correct on many levels. Look at the API trend lines in the Los Angeles Unified to illustrate this point.

One of the problems facing LAUSD is some of the hispanic culture there place a limited value on higher education. Specifically, many families expect the kids to go to work ( usually for family business) after the 8th grade.

This coupled with the number of kids who are english learners often haven’t had the necessary foundation education. ie. the 3 r’s. This affects these numbers greatly.

English is weighted almost 50% up to grade 8 in the API tests while it drops to about 30% weighting in the 9-12grades.

As Eugene suggests, it is important to look the elementary feeder school scores carefully.

I would say to do a site visit for any school you are considering and meet the admin, teachers to gain more information that doesn’t appear in the empirical data.

[Hobie]

[quote=Eugene] Well, there are hispanics and there are hispanics. [/quote]

This is correct on many levels. Look at the API trend lines in the Los Angeles Unified to illustrate this point.

One of the problems facing LAUSD is some of the hispanic culture there place a limited value on higher education. Specifically, many families expect the kids to go to work ( usually for family business) after the 8th grade.

This coupled with the number of kids who are english learners often haven’t had the necessary foundation education. ie. the 3 r’s. This affects these numbers greatly.

English is weighted almost 50% up to grade 8 in the API tests while it drops to about 30% weighting in the 9-12grades.

As Eugene suggests, it is important to look the elementary feeder school scores carefully.

I would say to do a site visit for any school you are considering and meet the admin, teachers to gain more information that doesn’t appear in the empirical data.

[Hobie]

[quote=Eugene] Well, there are hispanics and there are hispanics. [/quote]

This is correct on many levels. Look at the API trend lines in the Los Angeles Unified to illustrate this point.

One of the problems facing LAUSD is some of the hispanic culture there place a limited value on higher education. Specifically, many families expect the kids to go to work ( usually for family business) after the 8th grade.

This coupled with the number of kids who are english learners often haven’t had the necessary foundation education. ie. the 3 r’s. This affects these numbers greatly.

English is weighted almost 50% up to grade 8 in the API tests while it drops to about 30% weighting in the 9-12grades.

As Eugene suggests, it is important to look the elementary feeder school scores carefully.

I would say to do a site visit for any school you are considering and meet the admin, teachers to gain more information that doesn’t appear in the empirical data.

[Hobie]

[quote=Eugene] Well, there are hispanics and there are hispanics. [/quote]

This is correct on many levels. Look at the API trend lines in the Los Angeles Unified to illustrate this point.

One of the problems facing LAUSD is some of the hispanic culture there place a limited value on higher education. Specifically, many families expect the kids to go to work ( usually for family business) after the 8th grade.

This coupled with the number of kids who are english learners often haven’t had the necessary foundation education. ie. the 3 r’s. This affects these numbers greatly.

English is weighted almost 50% up to grade 8 in the API tests while it drops to about 30% weighting in the 9-12grades.

As Eugene suggests, it is important to look the elementary feeder school scores carefully.

I would say to do a site visit for any school you are considering and meet the admin, teachers to gain more information that doesn’t appear in the empirical data.

[Hobie]

[quote=AN]If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.[/quote]

While I am a believer in a voucher system, I don’t think we will see it. Charters are the closest that it will come.

Reason. With vouchers all the smart kids will attend a particular school with the better teachers and will have tons of enrichment activities and programs. The have nots will not. I’ll let Brian chime in and explain this in detail.

[Hobie]

[quote=AN]If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.[/quote]

While I am a believer in a voucher system, I don’t think we will see it. Charters are the closest that it will come.

Reason. With vouchers all the smart kids will attend a particular school with the better teachers and will have tons of enrichment activities and programs. The have nots will not. I’ll let Brian chime in and explain this in detail.

[Hobie]

[quote=AN]If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.[/quote]

While I am a believer in a voucher system, I don’t think we will see it. Charters are the closest that it will come.

Reason. With vouchers all the smart kids will attend a particular school with the better teachers and will have tons of enrichment activities and programs. The have nots will not. I’ll let Brian chime in and explain this in detail.

[Hobie]

[quote=AN]If a voucher system is enacted and you can go to any schools you want, I would think the premium for school in certain area would go away.[/quote]

While I am a believer in a voucher system, I don’t think we will see it. Charters are the closest that it will come.

Reason. With vouchers all the smart kids will attend a particular school with the better teachers and will have tons of enrichment activities and programs. The have nots will not. I’ll let Brian chime in and explain this in detail.

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