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  • January 19, 2010 at 11:35 PM #504509
    Hatfield
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    Personally, I think we need a system like Jozef’s for Jose. As it is, the reality is that industries that employ Jose (hospitality, agriculture, construction) enjoy an unfair subsidy that the rest of us pay in a a completely off-the-books manner.

    Another reality is that Jose is doing a lot of jobs that only Jose is willing to do. Seriously, picking lettuce, harvesting citrus, washing dishes, that is some nasty-ass back-breaking work which I doubt very many Joes are willing to do. On the other hand, there probably are a lot of “Jose” jobs that Joes *are* willing to do.

    So just as there’s an H1-B visa program for Jozef, we need to have some sort of an unskilled H1-B program for all the Joses. Rather than this ridiculous wink-and-a-nod situation we have now where we pretend to care about illegal immigration (but really we don’t) it seems like it would make a lot more sense to create a legal framework for guest workers like Jose. Get all this stuff on the books, with really Draconion sanctions for employers who don’t follow the rules.

    If we did that 1) we’d actually know who was here, and 2) we could actually make determinations about who, after X number of years of working and paying taxes, gets a green card and eventually citizenship.

    January 19, 2010 at 11:42 PM #503643
    ucodegen
    Participant

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.

    January 19, 2010 at 11:42 PM #503789
    ucodegen
    Participant

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.

    January 19, 2010 at 11:42 PM #504184
    ucodegen
    Participant

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.

    January 19, 2010 at 11:42 PM #504277
    ucodegen
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    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.

    January 19, 2010 at 11:42 PM #504523
    ucodegen
    Participant

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.

    January 20, 2010 at 8:10 AM #503722
    SK in CV
    Participant

    [quote=ucodegen]

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.[/quote]

    On the first point, no, it wasn’t your point. It was mine. You started out claiming it was just the 6.2%, not 7.65%. If we’re comparing how much money Joe and Jose have to live on, the employer’s share is incidental.

    And yes, I’m sure on the calculation. If my masters in tax and 20 years as a CPA didn’t make me confident enough, my tax software did.

    No need to even address the rest of your long debunked racist screed. But please answer me this. Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?

    January 20, 2010 at 8:10 AM #503868
    SK in CV
    Participant

    [quote=ucodegen]

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.[/quote]

    On the first point, no, it wasn’t your point. It was mine. You started out claiming it was just the 6.2%, not 7.65%. If we’re comparing how much money Joe and Jose have to live on, the employer’s share is incidental.

    And yes, I’m sure on the calculation. If my masters in tax and 20 years as a CPA didn’t make me confident enough, my tax software did.

    No need to even address the rest of your long debunked racist screed. But please answer me this. Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?

    January 20, 2010 at 8:10 AM #504265
    SK in CV
    Participant

    [quote=ucodegen]

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.[/quote]

    On the first point, no, it wasn’t your point. It was mine. You started out claiming it was just the 6.2%, not 7.65%. If we’re comparing how much money Joe and Jose have to live on, the employer’s share is incidental.

    And yes, I’m sure on the calculation. If my masters in tax and 20 years as a CPA didn’t make me confident enough, my tax software did.

    No need to even address the rest of your long debunked racist screed. But please answer me this. Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?

    January 20, 2010 at 8:10 AM #504357
    SK in CV
    Participant

    [quote=ucodegen]

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.[/quote]

    On the first point, no, it wasn’t your point. It was mine. You started out claiming it was just the 6.2%, not 7.65%. If we’re comparing how much money Joe and Jose have to live on, the employer’s share is incidental.

    And yes, I’m sure on the calculation. If my masters in tax and 20 years as a CPA didn’t make me confident enough, my tax software did.

    No need to even address the rest of your long debunked racist screed. But please answer me this. Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?

    January 20, 2010 at 8:10 AM #504604
    SK in CV
    Participant

    [quote=ucodegen]

    In the old days it was commonly known as FICA. That’s social security. Currently 7.65% for both employee and employer. 6.2% for OASDI and 1.45 for Medicare.

    Which is my point with this one. The employee kicks in 6.2% (7.65% including Medicare Hospital Insurance) and the employer kicks in another 7.65%. The employer does not cover both. The illegal kicks in nothing as does the employer of the illegal.

    Standard deduction is $11,400. Exemption for joe, mrs. joe, and the two little joes total $14,600. bringing taxable income down to $26,000. 2 child care credits of 41,000 each brings fed tax down to $1,069.

    Are you sure you can take the child care credit when the wife is not working? Otherwise we will have to factor in her wage which up to now has not been included. We have also not considered children and the cost to the system of Jose Illegal’s kids (which would get educated in the US school system at the cost of over $8000 per kid per year) and not mentioning the likeliness that any health issues with the Jose Illegal’s children will be handled by Medicaid. Child care and deductions for children are out unless we consider costs to the system of children on both sides.[/quote]

    On the first point, no, it wasn’t your point. It was mine. You started out claiming it was just the 6.2%, not 7.65%. If we’re comparing how much money Joe and Jose have to live on, the employer’s share is incidental.

    And yes, I’m sure on the calculation. If my masters in tax and 20 years as a CPA didn’t make me confident enough, my tax software did.

    No need to even address the rest of your long debunked racist screed. But please answer me this. Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?

    January 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM #503727
    CDMA ENG
    Participant

    Shhhhhh!

    Quickly!

    No one’s looking…

    They’re all too busy arguing in Piggingtons…

    Everyone cross the border now!

    😛

    CE

    January 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM #503873
    CDMA ENG
    Participant

    Shhhhhh!

    Quickly!

    No one’s looking…

    They’re all too busy arguing in Piggingtons…

    Everyone cross the border now!

    😛

    CE

    January 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM #504269
    CDMA ENG
    Participant

    Shhhhhh!

    Quickly!

    No one’s looking…

    They’re all too busy arguing in Piggingtons…

    Everyone cross the border now!

    😛

    CE

    January 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM #504362
    CDMA ENG
    Participant

    Shhhhhh!

    Quickly!

    No one’s looking…

    They’re all too busy arguing in Piggingtons…

    Everyone cross the border now!

    😛

    CE

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