Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal

[Daniel]

Interesting discussion :-)I don’t usually get into politics, but this thread reminds of the plight of… ummm.. shall I call him Jozef the highly skilled temporary worker? Jozef pays all the takes that Joe does (and then some, as some deductions are unavailable to him), and, if he doesn’t manage to get a green card before his visa is up, he has to leave the country. All those social security taxes he dutifully paid go down the drain. Talk about taxation without representation!

Now, I’ll be the first to admit that the Jozefs I know make very good money (hard to feel sorry for them), work for Qualcomm, Intel, Microsoft, etc, and usually end up staying as permanent residents and then citizens. But it’s never a sure thing. If the green card application is botched (and it does happen sometimes), Jozef needs to say bye-bye to all the taxes he paid.

[Coronita]

never mind.

[Coronita]

never mind.

[Coronita]

never mind.

[Coronita]

never mind.

[Coronita]

never mind.

[bsrsharma]

Daniel,

It is not as bad as you describe for Jozef. See http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

[bsrsharma]

Daniel,

It is not as bad as you describe for Jozef. See http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

[bsrsharma]

Daniel,

It is not as bad as you describe for Jozef. See http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

[bsrsharma]

Daniel,

It is not as bad as you describe for Jozef. See http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

[bsrsharma]

Daniel,

It is not as bad as you describe for Jozef. See http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

[Hatfield]

Personally, I think we need a system like Jozef’s for Jose. As it is, the reality is that industries that employ Jose (hospitality, agriculture, construction) enjoy an unfair subsidy that the rest of us pay in a a completely off-the-books manner.

Another reality is that Jose is doing a lot of jobs that only Jose is willing to do. Seriously, picking lettuce, harvesting citrus, washing dishes, that is some nasty-ass back-breaking work which I doubt very many Joes are willing to do. On the other hand, there probably are a lot of “Jose” jobs that Joes *are* willing to do.

So just as there’s an H1-B visa program for Jozef, we need to have some sort of an unskilled H1-B program for all the Joses. Rather than this ridiculous wink-and-a-nod situation we have now where we pretend to care about illegal immigration (but really we don’t) it seems like it would make a lot more sense to create a legal framework for guest workers like Jose. Get all this stuff on the books, with really Draconion sanctions for employers who don’t follow the rules.

If we did that 1) we’d actually know who was here, and 2) we could actually make determinations about who, after X number of years of working and paying taxes, gets a green card and eventually citizenship.

[Hatfield]

Personally, I think we need a system like Jozef’s for Jose. As it is, the reality is that industries that employ Jose (hospitality, agriculture, construction) enjoy an unfair subsidy that the rest of us pay in a a completely off-the-books manner.

Another reality is that Jose is doing a lot of jobs that only Jose is willing to do. Seriously, picking lettuce, harvesting citrus, washing dishes, that is some nasty-ass back-breaking work which I doubt very many Joes are willing to do. On the other hand, there probably are a lot of “Jose” jobs that Joes *are* willing to do.

So just as there’s an H1-B visa program for Jozef, we need to have some sort of an unskilled H1-B program for all the Joses. Rather than this ridiculous wink-and-a-nod situation we have now where we pretend to care about illegal immigration (but really we don’t) it seems like it would make a lot more sense to create a legal framework for guest workers like Jose. Get all this stuff on the books, with really Draconion sanctions for employers who don’t follow the rules.

If we did that 1) we’d actually know who was here, and 2) we could actually make determinations about who, after X number of years of working and paying taxes, gets a green card and eventually citizenship.

[Hatfield]

Personally, I think we need a system like Jozef’s for Jose. As it is, the reality is that industries that employ Jose (hospitality, agriculture, construction) enjoy an unfair subsidy that the rest of us pay in a a completely off-the-books manner.

Another reality is that Jose is doing a lot of jobs that only Jose is willing to do. Seriously, picking lettuce, harvesting citrus, washing dishes, that is some nasty-ass back-breaking work which I doubt very many Joes are willing to do. On the other hand, there probably are a lot of “Jose” jobs that Joes *are* willing to do.

So just as there’s an H1-B visa program for Jozef, we need to have some sort of an unskilled H1-B program for all the Joses. Rather than this ridiculous wink-and-a-nod situation we have now where we pretend to care about illegal immigration (but really we don’t) it seems like it would make a lot more sense to create a legal framework for guest workers like Jose. Get all this stuff on the books, with really Draconion sanctions for employers who don’t follow the rules.

If we did that 1) we’d actually know who was here, and 2) we could actually make determinations about who, after X number of years of working and paying taxes, gets a green card and eventually citizenship.

[Hatfield]

Personally, I think we need a system like Jozef’s for Jose. As it is, the reality is that industries that employ Jose (hospitality, agriculture, construction) enjoy an unfair subsidy that the rest of us pay in a a completely off-the-books manner.

Another reality is that Jose is doing a lot of jobs that only Jose is willing to do. Seriously, picking lettuce, harvesting citrus, washing dishes, that is some nasty-ass back-breaking work which I doubt very many Joes are willing to do. On the other hand, there probably are a lot of “Jose” jobs that Joes *are* willing to do.

So just as there’s an H1-B visa program for Jozef, we need to have some sort of an unskilled H1-B program for all the Joses. Rather than this ridiculous wink-and-a-nod situation we have now where we pretend to care about illegal immigration (but really we don’t) it seems like it would make a lot more sense to create a legal framework for guest workers like Jose. Get all this stuff on the books, with really Draconion sanctions for employers who don’t follow the rules.

If we did that 1) we’d actually know who was here, and 2) we could actually make determinations about who, after X number of years of working and paying taxes, gets a green card and eventually citizenship.

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