California Senate Passes Discrimination Bill SCA-5….

[an]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=Blogstar]Asians are historically not good at lobbying and should be given preference.

This debate should be focused on third grade students and younger. By the end of third grade , young ones should be ready for 4th, or else they are disadvantaged. Waiting until they are college age to rectify disadvantage is where all the trouble comes from.[/quote]

that’s the problem people don’t seem to get.

you get a guy that’s well suited for SDSU and bump him up so he can get to UCLA and he’s going to get burnt. Everything in college is graded on a bell shaped curve. So you pretty much just guarenteed he’ll be lagging behind the curve in college, and probaly eventually drop out.[/quote]+100

[outtamojo]

[quote=flu][quote=harvey]But who will speak for the dumb kids?

CAR to the rescue![/quote]

It isn’t about dumb kids… You know the sad part of this is… Most “genius” kids either flunk out because they never bother to try or they end up like Mark Z and Bill Gates and drop out on their own because they have a better use of their time. So this really isn’t about “smart kids”.

It’s really about folks who paid their dues, put in a lot of time and effort to further themselves….And simply being denied opportunity because of their ethnicity in the interest of filling quotas…

Put in another way, it would be like the NBA having a policy that says that since asians make up 13-14% of the California population, asians are disproportionately under-represented on the LA Lakers and LA Clippers…

As a result, there should be quotas that specifically recruit asians and fill 13% of the starters on the LA Lakers and LA Clippers.. As a result, there should be a law that restrict the number of african americans that are on the LA Lakers and LA Clippers so that the percentage of african americans on the LA Lakers and LA Clippers is similar to the % of population in CA that are african americans….. irrespective of how good they may be..Simply because they are african americans and there are “too many of them” on the NBA teams…it doesn’t matter if they have “talent” or achieved great athleticism through “hard work”….

Of course the if someone did propose such a ridiculous racist/discriminatory policy, of course all hell would break lose.

So, again…….Double standards anyone?????

It would be a pretty funny spoof on the daily show if we had an SCA-NBA bill…[/quote]

It should be a SCA-NCAA bill. Racial quotas all around to include athletic scholarships and college team composition.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=ocrenter][quote=Blogstar]Asians are historically not good at lobbying and should be given preference.

This debate should be focused on third grade students and younger. By the end of third grade , young ones should be ready for 4th, or else they are disadvantaged. Waiting until they are college age to rectify disadvantage is where all the trouble comes from.[/quote]

that’s the problem people don’t seem to get.

you get a guy that’s well suited for SDSU and bump him up so he can get to UCLA and he’s going to get burnt. Everything in college is graded on a bell shaped curve. So you pretty much just guarenteed he’ll be lagging behind the curve in college, and probaly eventually drop out.[/quote]+100[/quote]

It happened at my school. The first two years was a weeding out process for engineering. A lot of folks couldn’t keep up.. No amount of tutorial, help, coaching etc, could make up for the deficit accumulated prior to entering college.

It actually was counter productive. Because some of these folks barely graduated, and once graduated barely had any sort of decent position lined up…

I said this before as well. Solution of trying to lower the bar entering college isn’t helpful, unless one plans on lowering the bar once in college as well. If that happens, it doesn’t help unless employers lower the bar for employees. If that happens in the domestic companies, it certainly won’t happen on any sort of global company that is not domestic..And then you need to deal with global competition.

The way to solve this is to address disparity while the kids are young(er)…Just about every other modern nation that values education does this.

I don’t have any issues with parents from social-economic disadvantaged homes even sending their kids to “better” public schools via some voucher, or specialized charter school/system and would even be a proponent of helping fund those schools for social-economic disadvantaged children…At least parents who are actively seeking sort of a commitment demonstrates they are willing to put thought into improving one’s kids’ situation..At least at that point, everyone is more or less at an equal playing field…

[all]

It would be more fun to set the graduation quota with elastic priority dates, similar to how immigration quotas work. In order for a person to receive the degree the coursework has to be completed and the enrollment date has to be current for his group.

The Asian students would be extra motivated to help their peers complete the coursework. Instead of paying instructors for remedial classes we would have the Asians doing it for free.

[Essbee]

Just wanted to say that I signed the petitions, too. I’m not Asian, but I’ve always been a strong supporter of Prop 209. Hopefully our state officials will keep it intact.

I also emailed State Assemblyman Maienschein and State Senator Wyland. I noticed that when Maienschein, SCA5 was one of a 10 or so choices for the subject line, so that leads me to believe that he must be getting a fair number of emails about it.

[Anonymous]

BTW, why did “oriental” get replaced by “asian.” I never completely understood that one.

I say “asian” because it’s fewer syllables.

My mom still says “oriental” – many in her generation probably still do. I know she doesn’t mean any harm by it.

“Oriental” just means “eastern,” which is still used to describe that part of the world in other contexts.

Does this bill actually mention asians (or orientals) specifically?

[scaredyclassic]

i always liked oriental avenue and the light blue properties on the monopoly board. they seemed reasonably priced, a decent value. then again, I always covet baltic and mediterranean, and have the greens and yellows. too ritzy for me. now i live in a green property. i’d probably prefer something in the purples, maybe st. charles, or tennessee avenue.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]i always liked oriental avenue and the light blue properties on the monopoly board. they seemed reasonably priced, a decent value. then again, I always covet baltic and mediterranean, and have the greens and yellows. too ritzy for me. now i live in a green property. i’d probably prefer something in the purples, maybe st. charles, or tennessee avenue.[/quote]

Statistically, the best properties are the orange and red ones, with a second place going to the purple properties…….As one has the most chance of landing there… You have a pretty good chance of ending up in jail many times, and there’s a chance card that says go to illnois or st. charles place…

[Coronita]

[quote=harvey]BTW, why did “oriental” get replaced by “asian.” I never completely understood that one.

I say “asian” because it’s fewer syllables.

My mom still says “oriental” – many in her generation probably still do. I know she doesn’t mean any harm by it.

“Oriental” just means “eastern,” which is still used to describe that part of the world in other contexts.

Does this bill actually mention asians (or orientals) specifically?[/quote]

For some, “oriental” I guess has connotations to “objects”…instead of people…Personally, if someone who isn’t aware of this accidentally says “oriental man” (doesn’t happen as much these days), chances are they don’t mean it to be offensive to begin with. I think there’s a lot more ways a person can be intentionally offensive using much more PC/polite words….So for me, I wouldn’t make a big deal about it… It’s all in the context….

Example would be the botched newscast in SF after the Asiana flight crash…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqQYImwfRTICaptain

[FlyerInHi]

Did you guys watch Arthur Chu on Jeopardy?

There’s a lot of hatred for him because he’s Asian and smart.

[ocrenter]

[quote=flu][quote=scaredyclassic]i always liked oriental avenue and the light blue properties on the monopoly board. they seemed reasonably priced, a decent value. then again, I always covet baltic and mediterranean, and have the greens and yellows. too ritzy for me. now i live in a green property. i’d probably prefer something in the purples, maybe st. charles, or tennessee avenue.[/quote]

Statistically, the best properties are the orange and red ones, with a second place going to the purple properties…….As one has the most chance of landing there… You have a pretty good chance of ending up in jail many times, and there’s a chance card that says go to illnois or st. charles place…[/quote]

Wow, tips on how to beat my daughter at the next game of Monopoly AND petitioning against racist legislation all in the same thread, nice!

[ocrenter]

[quote=harvey]BTW, why did “oriental” get replaced by “asian.” I never completely understood that one.

I say “asian” because it’s fewer syllables.

My mom still says “oriental” – many in her generation probably still do. I know she doesn’t mean any harm by it.

“Oriental” just means “eastern,” which is still used to describe that part of the world in other contexts.

Does this bill actually mention asians (or orientals) specifically?[/quote]

I have always thought of it as an overly PC campaign, although I do have to say I do prefer Asian over Oriental. And typically somebody that use the term Oriental generally just dated themselves to a birthdate going back to the 40’s.

I still remember the PC police back in the 80’s going around saying “we are not a rug.” But then Persians are rugs and a people all at the same time.

The Bill doesn’t mention Asians specifically, but then again, it doesn’t have to.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]Bump… How the fvck did this thread go from this topic….

…to this….a rant about CEO’s pay????Talk about thread hijack….

[quote=CA renter]But there’s at least one group that has done very well for themselves over the past few decades!

We’ve made progress on a lot of things since the 1950s and so have CEOs — in their quest for more money that is.

The ratio of CEO-to-worker pay has increased 1,000 percent since 1950, according to data from Bloomberg. Today Fortune 500 CEOs make 204 times regular workers on average, Bloomberg found. The ratio is up from 120-to-1 in 2000, 42-to-1 in 1980 and 20-to-1 in 1950.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623.html%5B/quote%5D

But I’ll stretch…CEO’s wouldn’t dare to pass a blatantly discriminatory law as some of our most racists politicians would…. Funny how people continue to attack CEOs, and wealthy and redirect the real root of the problem, while the biggest threat to equality is staring right in front of them…

Of course, I guess for some (not all) if you’re not affected by these ridiculous prejudice laws, I guess it doesn’t matter to you.. So I guess for some, we haven’t learned anything for the past 50 years about civil rights and basic principles of right versus wrong….They might move an entire company to a lower cost area, and in the process screw everyone at the company under, but it’s not personal it’s business. It’s not targeted because you are white, black, hispanic, and/or asian…

But whatever…. IF you think these STEM jobs or what have you aren’t important enough for your kids, then fine… Please give tell your kids not to bother to apply so people who really do want them have a better chance…Because I’m sure there are plenty of people who would want them…[/quote]

Flu, I think you misunderstood my point regarding IQ and discrimination — that discrimination exists, no matter what, and it’s often related to something that people have little/no control over. While your story about working hard to overcome adversity is admirable, that’s not the case for many (most?) students who have top scores on placement tests, etc.

I am opposed to racial quotas and voted for Prop 209 (and have signed this petition, as well). But if you think this is the biggest threat to your kid’s future, you’re not looking at the big picture. What I’m talking about is the greatest threat to future generations of Americans of all races. Our economic system being manipulated against most working people, and it’s very much by design. If people don’t start to wake up (and soon!), getting into college will be the least of our worries.

I’m interested in hearing what you think is the biggest threat to equality since you seem to think it’s staring us in the face.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu][quote=scaredyclassic]i always liked oriental avenue and the light blue properties on the monopoly board. they seemed reasonably priced, a decent value. then again, I always covet baltic and mediterranean, and have the greens and yellows. too ritzy for me. now i live in a green property. i’d probably prefer something in the purples, maybe st. charles, or tennessee avenue.[/quote]

Statistically, the best properties are the orange and red ones, with a second place going to the purple properties…….As one has the most chance of landing there… You have a pretty good chance of ending up in jail many times, and there’s a chance card that says go to illnois or st. charles place…[/quote]

Wow, tips on how to beat my daughter at the next game of Monopoly AND petitioning against racist legislation all in the same thread, nice![/quote]

probably my love for cheap property is penny wise and pund foolish and not based in a realitybased evealuation of risks and benefits. more based on fear of overindebtedness.

good ol oriental avenue. i even prefer boardwalk and park place to the greens, just because there’s less of them. my kids went througha little monopoly binge a few years back where we played a lot.

now the oldest one isnt even wanting to come home for spring break.

ingrates.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]
As for those innovations, while I respect the fact that many people are in love with their iPhones, the main innovation was getting a mobile phone into a person’s hand. That was done well before this past decade. Navigation is cool, but the rest is just “fluff” as far as I’m concerned. We had notebook/laptop computers decades ago, so the iPad isn’t such a big deal, IMO. And 24/7 connectivity is as much a burden as it is a blessing. We had voice recognition decades ago, TV cards for computers were available back then, too. And “Picturephones”/teleconferencing was available decades ago, as well. There have been some advances in biotech, but with cancer, for instance, we’re still using many of the same drugs and treatments that we were using decades ago. Drones???? Don’t get me started on drones! 🙁

Sorry, but I’m just not seeing the life-altering innovations that you seem to be seeing. Of course, I’ll admit that you are more tech-focused than I am, so you’re more likely to notice the incremental changes that might be a big deal to you (and others like you), but not nearly as impressive to me (and others like myself).

I also think you greatly underestimate the extent to which our economy IS zero-sum.[/quote]That’s the most ridiculous post I’ve ever read. My only response to a post like that is lol.[/quote]

I actually think the post is not that ridiculous. Technology is slowing down on subjective level. Planes are flying to more places but we are not travelling any faster than the decade ago. Some NASA exploration is still on-going, but we felt that we have seen all that is to see and traveling outside the solar system is still not a reachable goal. In 1970, Congress promised victory over cancer in six years’ time; four decades later, we are still here. The nuclear industry and its 1954 promise of “electrical energy too cheap to meter” sounds like yesterday’s dream after Fukushima. Energy and batter are holding the progress for new technologies.

But on the other end, people forgot that technology progress is never linear and these “incremental changes” might amount to something in the future. We are closer ever to AI thanks to the steady Moore’s law. That’s making machines equal to human, which stands back on millions years of evolution. And then there is bio-science, we are creating new DNA and organism, a domain that used to belong to God.

It is after all impossible to predict the future progress of the technology. But Internet does unleash a great amount of creativity and collaboration, with time, I think it will eventually amount to something.

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