California Senate Passes Discrimination Bill SCA-5….

[dumbrenter]

How do they figure out if somebody is asian? Is there some sort of test, like the one-drop test? will there be a new department to figure out the asianness % of a given person? A genetic test? Will that department be staffed by only by non-asians or will it have the same general percentage of asians as asked of by the bill? Who determines who are asians in that department set to figure out who is asian?
It is all so confusing.

in the good old days discrimination used to be so easy like the “asian exclusion league”, why would CA want to make it so complicated like everything else?

While at it, can we please add the following:
– limiting % of persian dentists in a city
– limiting % of vietnamese hairstylists and manicure/pedicurists
– limiting % of asians in qualcomm and other large companies
– limiting % of koreans running japanese restaurants in san diego

This bill has so much potential

[ltsddd]

[quote=flu][quote=ltsdd]I am a little torn on this issue. I don’t think the UC schools have ever been merit-based only wrt their admission policy.
I believe the UC schools still deploying the 60:40 ratio for freshman admissions. That is, 60% of the available spots are to be used to admit incoming freshmen based strictly on academics only. And the other 40% is when the schools would take into account the student’s extra-curricula activities, economic background, etc. If this is still the case then it begs the question – is it fair if, all things being equal, a student got admitted because they came from a “poor” family over a student that came from a “wealthy” family? If the schools have been using the financial background and one of the metrics for admission then how different is it if they were to add race to category? I guess in this case if you’re rich and Asian/White then you’re doubly screwed.

That said, I’ve always told my kids to make sure that just make sure that they make the grades to ensure that they are the 60 percenter and take the decision making out of the hands of the schools.[/quote]

Classic “if my kid makes the extreme cut”, then injustice doesn’t matter for the rest of them there were otherwise qualified…[/quote]

Bull. Where did I say that injustices does not matter? Unfortunately, the injustices have always been there before and that didn’t bother or matter to you, did it? Right, because the injustice didn’t affect you or your kid one iota. But now the things change a bit and you’re bitching and all this self-righteousness bull.

Back to the point – do you think it is fair that a kid is picked over another just because their economic backgrounds are different? That’s what been going on for years. How is using the social-economic background as a selection criteria different than any other criteria (for those who are not in the top 60%)? You’re trying to paint a picture where the California Univ are doing away with the merit system altogether. I happen to think that’s not the case. If you truly believe it should be based on merit then make sure your kid is a 60 percenter or go fight the system to drop the 60:40 admission policy altogether.

[spdrun]

Cutting a kid a bit of slack due to educational opportunities (un)available in her high school is one thing. But giving a Black kid from a poor background an advantage over an Asian kid from the same background is quite another in my book.

[mike92104]

[quote=flu]The problem with a lot of Asians is they don’t give a rats ass about things related to governmental policies. Until it attacks something that is a fundamental no no (crossing the line).

Fucking with kids education is one of those things.

Me thinks I will be camping out next weekend at ranch 99 with a petition table and a laptop… This is just bullshit[/quote]

You should also start another petition to make it illegal to even ask about race on the college application.

[ltsddd]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Given the relatively recent imprisonment if Asians during wwii, they seem to have a pretty good pedigree for being recent victims of discrimination resulting in a social disadvantage.[/quote]

Asians need to get together and do the Million Asian March. Just kidding…not really.

[ltsddd]

[quote=spdrun]Cutting a kid a bit of slack due to educational opportunities (un)available in her high school is one thing. But giving a Black kid from a poor background an advantage over an Asian kid from the same background is quite another in my book.[/quote]

So a poor Asian kid getting the nod over an affluent black kid is perfectly ok?

[spdrun]

To some extent, yes. I do think that educational environment should be taken into account when considering performance on things like standardized tests.

[flyer]

This IS ridiculous flu.

At this rate, we’ll see bills introduced that encourage individuals to sue the state, school districts, etc. when their kids can’t get great jobs or afford to buy homes after college.

I fully expect to see this type of insanity in my lifetime.

[ltsddd]

[quote=spdrun]To some extent, yes. I do think that educational environment should be taken into account when considering performance on things like standardized tests.[/quote]

Sounds like you have no problem with a system that is not completely based on merit. No?

[Coronita]

[quote=ltsdd][quote=spdrun]Cutting a kid a bit of slack due to educational opportunities (un)available in her high school is one thing. But giving a Black kid from a poor background an advantage over an Asian kid from the same background is quite another in my book.[/quote]

So a poor Asian kid getting the nod over an affluent black kid is perfectly ok?[/quote]

I think the question of race should be completely eliminated from consideration yes. There are people who are poor who are economically disadvantaged. But not all poor disadvantaged are black or Hispanic. Plenty of folks from rural area are at a social economic disadvantage as well.

But its more than that. If the government wants to fix this. They are fixing it at the wrong side. If you want to help then give the poor subsidies for seeking higher education for their kids before college. And then when the kids do qualify based on merit….help poor kids pay for the college.

The kids however need to get in based on merit. It is how just about ever other country that values education does it.

[ltsddd]

[quote=flu][quote=ltsdd][quote=spdrun]Cutting a kid a bit of slack due to educational opportunities (un)available in her high school is one thing. But giving a Black kid from a poor background an advantage over an Asian kid from the same background is quite another in my book.[/quote]

So a poor Asian kid getting the nod over an affluent black kid is perfectly ok?[/quote]

I think the question of race should be completely eliminated from consideration yes. There are people who are poor who are economically disadvantaged. But not all poor disadvantaged are black or Hispanic. Plenty of folks from rural area are at a social economic disadvantage as well.

But its more than that. If the government wants to fix this. They are fixing it at the wrong side. If you want to help then give the poor subsidies for seeking higher education for their kids before college. And then when the kids do qualify based on merit….help poor kids pay for the college.

The kids however need to get in based on merit. It is how just about ever other country that values education does it.[/quote]

In principle I don’t disagree with you. These policies affects my family as much as it is to you and your family. My point is, it’s a slippery slope once you move outside of a merit-based system. And once that occurred, I really have an issue with the argument that one (disadvantaged) criteria has more “merit” (ironic isn’t it?) than another in admitting a student – it all depends on where you’re sitting. And regardless of how you slice it, there will always be a group of people (based on race, wealth, religion, etc…) who will feel that the policies are unfair to them.

[ltsddd]

BTW., if you’re a California HS senior, a 3.5 gpa and a combined 1800 on the SAT will guarantee you a spot at one of the UC Schools.

[spdrun]

There are always “soft” admission criteria used like admissions essays. I don’t see why economic background can’t be one of them. But setting hard racial quotas as a matter of policy is abhorrent to me.

[spdrun]

There are always “soft” admission criteria used like admissions essays. I don’t see why economic background can’t be one of them. Performance should always be considered in context.

But setting hard racial quotas as a matter of policy is abhorrent to me.

[flyer]

It’s also interesting that success in the real world isn’t always based on merit either. Even though two of our kids attended “Ivies” they actually got their great jobs because of who we and they knew. Since so many people have a great education now, connections do help also.

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